On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 08:52:42PM +0200, Martin Bochnig wrote:
> > What *is* open is the development _process_. ?Meaning:
> >
> > ?- design reviews (these are not formally part of the Solaris
> > ? development process nowadays, but i-teams often do these in the open)
> >
> > ?- architectural reviews
> >
> > ?- code reviews
> >
> > C-team review is often not conducted in the open, I think, but then
> > c-team reviews are not terribly interesting from a community openness
> > p.o.v.
> 
> Ok, maybe it could even constitute a security risk to discuss all the
> potential vulnerabilities in the open.

Oh, yes, I forgot to mention security vulnerabilities.  Yes, those are
usually reviewed not in public when the vulnerability report is not
public yet (for obvious reasons).

> > Unlike Linux we don't have one big kernel list with enormous traffic.
> > Instead we split discussions up into multiple lists, as Liane explained.
> 
> I like the way in which Liane responded. I was happy with it.
> I also read the docs, but I cannot always read everything, can you?

I never read everything.  I usually work my way to the answer to
whatever question I have.  I use a combination of web search engines,
man(1), cscope (and src.opensolaris.org), and so on to find what I'm
looking for, or to find who would know; or perhaps I'll post a question
on an IRC channel or mailing list.

> Frequently I help others on lists like xwin-, driver- or opensolaris-.

Great!

> I sure know about mail.opensolaris.org.
> I'm on 15 lists.
> 
> Some are mouse dead, others are not.
> I thought of on-discuss to *be* one of those specialized lists.
> I thought of it as the list for the global OS/Net gatekeepers.
> It sure is, but not much of those things gets discussed in the open.
> That's all I objected to.

I'm not a gatekeeper, so I'd not really know.  I do hang out on #onnv,
an internal IRC channel, which occasionally gets discussions of
gatekeeping issues, but mostly is a social hangout.  Perhaps we should
have a #onnv on freenode.

> But not being involved in any OS/Net undertaking is not equal to doing
> nothing at all:

Of course.

Cheers,

Nico
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