On Thu, January 15, 2009 20:47, Fredrich Maney wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:27 PM, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, January 15, 2009 12:51, Octave Orgeron wrote:
>>
>>> However, if the hope is that the GNU toolset will
>>> attract users and developers.. I think that idea maybe a little flawed.
>>
>> That's slightly off from what *I* am thinking (not speaking for anybody
>> except myself here).  My point is that the really steep learning curve a
>> Linux user hits when he starts trying to run a current Solaris is a
>> strong
>> discouraging factor; the detail changes in tools with the same names,
>> and
>> major losses of functionality, make the user feel crippled and weak.
>> That's an unpleasant feeling, and one natural reaction is to walk away.
>> And a good pool of people comfortable with working in Solaris is
>> valuable
>> to Solaris and to Sun!
>
> Your complaint here is not a Linux vs. Solaris complaint. It goes back
> much farther than that to SysVr4 vs. BSD. Try going back and forth
> between Solaris, AIX and HP-UX. Then add BSD and Linux. And for added
> fun, pick an OS that believes that TCP/IP is optional like QNX.

Yeah, I know.  In fact, I think the fact that when I first learned SunOS
it was BSD-flavor, and it changed to vR4 while I was away from it, is a
contributor to my personal annoyance -- from my point of view, Solaris
went away from me; I've stayed in about the same place.  That makes it
clearly Solaris' fault :-).

> The problem though is that this same argument can easily be applied to
> cars: automatic or manual transmission, on the floor or the column,
> reverse at up-n-left or down-n-right, left or right hand drive? Just
> because the preferred mode in Europe is right hand drive, manual on
> the floor and the US is left hand drive, automatic on the column
> doesn't make one better than the other - just different. No one is
> going to move from the US to Europe and suddenly expect all of the
> cars to match the US standard or the other way around. They will adapt
> and "when in Rome...".

Sorry, in Rome they drive on the right just like in the USA.  England
drives on the left.  Sweden did until 1967.  The rest of Europe was
drive-on-the-right all along (which means left-hand-drive vehicles, the
driver sits on the left side of the vehicle).

The argument for consistency with other local drivers is somewhat stronger
than for consistency with other local sysadmins, I think.


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