I would like to ammend my previous post. I don't actually know if Orion has
marketing/publicity, and I am not in a position to say they are just
starting out. I apologize if I spoke with my head up my rear..I believe my
intention was to hype up Orion for all the hard work the team has done to
give us a great product, not to make it sound like they are a small company.
My point being, I had a very difficult time getting my boss to go with Orion
over WebLogic, and even so he still wants to use WebLogic, we just don't
want to spend the money right now. Alot of companies for some reason feel
the name is bigger than the actual work behind it. It sucks..but that
appears to be the way alot of business run. When you have a VC give you $72
million as we have received in the past year, its hard to use a product
nobody is familiar with, over one that is touted the best, even if the price
costs 10 to 20 times more. I of all people have had a hard time trying to
understand why our company would want to waste so much money on a proudct
that isn't even on par with the standards (as they claim to be) as Orion is.
Anyways..Just wanted to clear that up incase I got some people thinking
Orion is small. In actuality, they are big, and they will get bigger!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 12:05 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: Orion in production
>
>
> I would say..Orion has almost no publicity other than word of
> mouth right
> now. Orion is just starting out compared to WebLogic, IIS,
> and what not.
> Give them some time..people are reluctant to turn to a small
> company with
> such a cheap price. I hate to say it, and I hope they don't
> change their
> price, but believe it or not, if Orion raised its license price to say
> $10,000 per server (hopefully not cpu), they might actually get more
> interest. I think there is still a lot of testing and what
> not to do before
> they should do that, if they even want to. Quite frankly, I
> like what they
> are doing. They offer a kick-ass server for a affordable
> price..very good
> for small to medium sized companies to use. There are a LOT
> more small to
> medium sized companies than big companies, so even if they
> are 1/10th the
> price (or 1/40th if you compare 4 cpu servers), I would be
> that the Orion
> team will see a lot of sales in the small/medium market, which could
> actually give them alot more money in the bank. On top of
> that, I don't know
> how many people Orion employs, but I know WebLogic is over
> 1500 people,
> large facility, etc. WebLogic spends a hell of a lot more on salaries,
> travel expenses, marketing, etc. In my opinion..maybe its
> just me, but I
> trust Orion or Apache over the big names. Plus..as I said, I
> can't start up
> my own company using WebLogic. I can with Orion. Better yet,
> Orion has thus
> far beat the hell out of every major (and as far as I can
> tell..every small)
> vendor of app servers (J2EE supporters I should say) as far
> as staying ahead
> of the ballgame, offering great performance, the best J2EE
> support, and the
> easiest to set up. I played around with WebLogic for two
> weeks (on and off)
> and still couldn't get my simple JSP page to show up. WebSphere was a
> nightmare, and while Resin was easy to work with, its not a
> full J2EE app
> server. IIS is easy enough, but its not J2EE, so fork that
> choice. JRun
> sucks..we have used it, tried JRun 3.0 and were not happy with it.
> SilverStream had nothing fancy in my opinion..they are in the
> same boat as
> IBM WebSphere..about a year late for the full J2EE support. I
> can't even
> believe IBM WebSphere still doesn't support Servlet 2.2 and
> JSP 1.1! I don't
> care how many billions you put into your software..if it
> doesn't even meet
> the standards that have been in place for almost a year
> now..it sure doesn't
> say a lot to me that the money is being spent in the right places!
> OAS..well, I have heard nothing but bad things about Oracles
> solution, and
> this coming from some neigbors that develop the Oracle
> software! Meanwhile,
> you have little itty bitty Orion (Ok..they are big to me! ;) over here
> support EJB 2.0, Servlet 2.3, full J2EE support, clusterable,
> easy to set
> up, fast, etc..
>
> I sound like I am a sales man for Orion, but you know..I tend
> to read up and
> test alot of the latest stuff and Orion kicks the
> competitions ass hands
> down. Maybe if JRun, or someone else came out with much
> better products I
> would be on those mailing lists. I just don't see that happening.
>
> Ok..I went off..sorry. Go with Orion!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Eggink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 5:09 AM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: RE: Orion in production
> >
> >
> > I don't know what's the downside of believing these statistics.
> >
> > On http://www.netcraft.com:
> >
> > click on 'what's that site running'
> > click on 'help'
> > click on 'range'
> > click on 'Index' (of Sept 2000 of course)
> > Hit Ctrl-F and search for orion.
> >
> > It tells you 1238 servers are running orion. (If you want
> > your boss to go ahead with orion, don't show him number 5 on
> > the list!)
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > On Friday, October 20, 2000 12:38 PM, Sven van 't Veer
> > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > > "Juan Lorandi (Chile)" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > I have been using orion for about 6 months now, and now,
> > as I'm finishing my
> > > > app, I need to sell orion to my customers...
> > > > For this, it would be *VERY* valuable to have a list of
> > sites (on the
> > > > internet or intranets) which use orion...
> > > >
> > > > So, basically, what I have in mind is that anybody on
> > this list that wishes
> > > > to report a site as being partiallly/fully powered by orion,
> > > > report it to my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED], so
> > that I can make a list
> > > > of these, to publish it on WWW
> > > >
> > > > I think this will prove useful for us all.
> > > www.cachoeiro.net
> > > www.snpc.com.br
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > ==============================================================
> > ========================
> > > Sven E. van 't Veer
> > > http://www.cachoeiro.net
> > > Java Developer
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > ==============================================================
> > ========================
> > >
> >
>
