> my personal opinion on this is that evermind should deliver source (while
> retaining full rights on enhancements and bug fixes) with the product to
> eliminate that risk. other commercial projects like orbaccus
> (http://www.ooc.com) have shown that they still make a lot of money despite
> shipping source for more than five years now. I'm sure about 80% of the
> bugs our team has reported would have been fixed by us immediately or at
> least would have been accurately described to the line of source code that
> has to be changed.
>
> I've brought this up to karl and magnus but they don't want to do this and
> it simply is their baby and therefore their decision (they probably think
> I'm either a parrot or insane, repeating the same stuff over and over again
> ;-).
Well you're no parrot and neither insane. I agree wholeheartedly. Before
moving to Java I did a lot of development on Borland C++ Builder which
ships with full source code to the vcl libraries. Serious bugs where
easilly found by me and other developers, reported and corrected. It's
lot's easier to report a bug if you can see the source code.
However I can sympatize with Karl and Magnus. EJB is a very new
technology. Shipping the source makes it relatively easy for the
competition to copy the product which of course is the downside. But I
think shippingg the source would be for the better of the server. Nobody
is perfect and if all of us have our hands on the source lots of those
silly bugs should be fixed in much less time. Having to submit a
testcase makes for a lot of effort on both sides since we have to create
a testcase which has to be recreated by the orion team and tested. Most
of these bug however would simply appear running your app through a
debugger and jumping into the orion source.
> any other orion users have an opion on that?
This was my two-cents.
sven
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