You know..while I would love to see source for the sole purpose of allowing
us to help the Orion team debug and fix problems (not to allow a fork of the
product), I think everyone needs to think about other products. Do you think
WebLogic, Inprise, Oracle, IBM and others are going to release their source
so the committed followers can help them fix bugs. That would be ideal..but
none of them do it. Thus far I don't know of any full J2EE ready app servers
that have released their source. I have heard of JBoss..but I don't know
much about it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gerald
> Gutierrez
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 1:10 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: Anyone using Orion in production? [long]
>
>
>
> The Orion FAQ (http://www.orionserver.com/faq/#-551543462) actually says
> that they might be sued by Sun if they "offer ... source under a
> Linux-style license", not simply that they provide source (possibly under
> an NDA). Perhaps there are no legal reasons if they choose to do
> the latter
> (and there are with the former), but my inclination is that Evermind
> doesn't want to release source, not that they can't. I respect it, but I
> must disagree for a number of technical and business-related reasons.
>
> Like someone else said in this list, that there are serious bugs and that
> people using the product are powerless to fix it themselves is enough to
> make one look for an alternative solution. The price is a fair and the
> performance is excellent, but what good is it if it is
> unreliable? This is
> not a word processor or a web browser; a crash a day, week or
> month is not
> tolerable.
>
>
> At 11:42 AM 11/24/2000 -0800, you wrote:
> >Really? How can they be sued by Sun for their own source? JBoss isn't
> >getting sued..aren't they open source? I can't believe Sun could
> sue anyone
> >for making an open-source application server. Maybe there is something we
> >don't know...??
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gerald
> > > Gutierrez
> > > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:16 AM
> > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > Subject: Re: Anyone using Orion in production? [long]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >However I can sympatize with Karl and Magnus. EJB is a very new
> > > >technology. Shipping the source makes it relatively easy for the
> > > >competition to copy the product which of course is the
> downside. But I
> > > >think shippingg the source would be for the better of the
> server. Nobody
> > > >is perfect and if all of us have our hands on the source
> lots of those
> > > >silly bugs should be fixed in much less time. Having to submit a
> > > >testcase makes for a lot of effort on both sides since we
> have to create
> > > >a testcase which has to be recreated by the orion team and
> tested. Most
> > > >of these bug however would simply appear running your app through a
> > > >debugger and jumping into the orion source.
> > >
> > > I've run into so many weird and absurd problems in Orion; all
> it would've
> > > taken for me to solve the problem and submit a patch would be a
> > > grep in the
> > > source tree. Alas, I cannot do this and I am stuck with an application
> > > server that has many advantages and many disadvantages, which
> > > more or less
> > > cancel each other out. Many bugs I post as problems to the
> mailing list,
> > > many times without response, forcing me to submit some of them to
> > > bugzilla,
> > > where they go unnoticed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Evermind's position, as stated on the FAQ, is that they would
> be SUED by
> > > Sun if they made their source code public.
> > >
> > > What?! What is the rationale behind this conclusion???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
