Interesting.

I consider myself a photographer - period. Although I tend to enjoy nature 
photography the most.
In my own time I try to capture outdoor images in a real, maybe considered 
"artsy" mode.
This has only been true for the last 10 -12 years. While I've had a camera 
all my life since early teens, I wasn't very good in the artsy area. I was 
mostly capturing family moments & recording places we visited.
.
That all changed about 10 years ago when I took my first outdoor workshop. 
(highly, highly recommended).

About 19 yrs ago my job dictated I record forensic evidence related to 
automotive product litigation.
Since becoming more artsy, I then started to apply some artsy influence in 
my forensic photography.
A few years ago, while preparing for a trial in a hotel meeting room, some 
passersby happened to look in saw some of my forensic images & inquired if 
they were for sale! These were highly abstract images of fracture surfaces 
of some automotive components.

Kenneth Waller

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cory Papenfuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)


> Watch out here as an elitist snob... I have been very careful to
> qualify any of my potentially denigrating comments WRT "photographer" vs.
> "technician."  I personally think of it as the difference between a
> "technical photographer" and an "artsy photographer."  I am very much the
> former, but try to learn more of the latter as I go.  The majority of
> photographers that I know of (including most of this list) lean more
> towards the artsy side.  Both are necessary to some degree for good
> photographs.
>
>  The snap-n-shooter who fires away endlessly and never goes of
> automatic idiot mode is neither.  The cursed soul like me aspires to have
> a creative eye while perfecting the technical aspects.  The majority
> seem to learn just enough technical aspects as necessary to exercise their
> creative eye.
>
>  In the limiting case, I've heard it argued as to whether or not
> some of the HEAVILY manipulated digital photographs should be considered
> photographs at all.  Maybe, maybe not.  Should they be considered
> art.  Certainly... IMO.  Everyone chooses how far on either side they wish
> to go.
>
> -Cory
>
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>> Well, let me then amend my post: I think he's more a technician than a
>> photographer concerned with the aesthetics and creativity involved in
>> photographing a subject.  I believe Mr.Papanfuss has stated that as well,
>> at least to some degree.
>>
>> Further - and this just may be me - I don't recall ever seeing any of his
>> photographs posted here, although he does talk a lot of technical stuff.
>>
>  I've posted a few.
>
>> IMO, one may record a scene and be considered a photographer by some - 
>> and
>> maybe just holding a camera and pushing the button makes one a 
>> photographer
>> - but I think there's more to it than that, that some creativity beyond
>> just recording a scene and looking for an accurate color reproduction
>> contributes to the making of a photographer.  But then, I have often been
>> called an elitist snob
>>
>> Of course, Rob, you're very technically oriented, and might that not 
>> color
>> your opinions just as my limited technical expertise may color mine?
>>
>> Shel
>>
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Digital Image Studio
>>
>>> On 11/01/07, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> And how did you, or do you, deal with B&W?
>>>>
>>>> Youir comments suggest that you're not a photographer but some kind of
>>>> technician.
>>>
>>> I'm a bit confused and surprised at some of the comments relating to
>>> Cory's posts. Whether somebody is making photographs to create art or
>>> records surely they are still a photographer if they control how or
>>> what is being photographed?


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