Right you are. That's why I hang onto my K85/1.8. The DA* 50-135/2.8 is just as 
good or better at f2.8, but sometimes those extra stops can work wonders.
Paul
On Jan 3, 2010, at 9:23 PM, David Savage wrote:

> I agree, but it's the DOF control offered by the fast stuff that gives
> creative possibilities.
> 
> I just bought the Nikon 85mm f1.4. Sure, it's not at it's best at that
> aperture, but the ability selectively isolate details and surround
> them with soft bokeh goodness is awesome.
> 
> DS
> 
> 2010/1/4 Bob Sullivan <rf.sulli...@gmail.com>:
>> Adam,
>> Of course, I can argue that a useful ISO 1600 in digital negates the
>> need for an f2 or better.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Adam Maas <a...@mawz.ca> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Joseph McAllister <pentax...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 3, 2010, at 06:32 , Adam Maas wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Pentax offers nothing truly comparable to the 58 Nokton, the FA 50/1.4
>>>>> handles worse (particularly for manual focus, the Nokton has a large
>>>>> and well damped focus ring) and has significant QC problems with
>>>>> recent production and the DA* 55 is about twice the price of the
>>>>> Nokton and both are shorter lenses in a range where smaller focal
>>>>> length differences remain noticeable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At the wide end Pentax is lacking any fast glass wider than 31mm.
>>>>> While Pentax lenses are excellent, Pentax really has not provided a
>>>>> full lens line unless your needs are small but slow primes and/or f2.8
>>>>> zooms.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Adam
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You consider the DA 14mm ƒ2.8 slow?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, but not terribly so, f2.8 is quite acceptable for a 21mm
>>> equivalent, but by is no means fast. Remember, the FF world has lenses
>>> faster than f2 in this FoV range (Oly 21/2, Sigma 20/1.8, Leica
>>> 21/1.4, even Pentax's prototype 20/1.4). Pentax has exactly two lenses
>>> wider than 31mm and faster than f2.8 (28/2, FA* 24/2), and neither are
>>> current-production
>>> 
>>> -Adam
>>> 
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