Robert, List: I agree with that famous quote from Peirce, and it does not refute what I said before.
For one thing, only certain signs are "elements of concepts" that "enter into logical thought" by being perceived and thereby determining dynamical interpretants that are *logical *interpretants (further signs). There are other signs whose dynamical interpretants are instead *energetic *interpretants (exertions) or merely *emotional *interpretants (feelings). Moreover, my point continues to be that it is not necessary for something to be *actually *perceived in order to qualify as a sign. It is sufficient that (1) it *may *determine a dynamical interpretant under various circumstances by virtue of having an *immediate *interpretant, and (2) it *would *determine a dynamical interpretant under ideal circumstances by virtue of having a *final *interpretant. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:11 PM Robert Marty <robertmarty...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Jon Alan, > > JAS > "Something need not be perceived in order to qualify as a sign, > as long as it is *capable *of determining a dynamical interpretant by > virtue of having an immediate interpretant ... and a final interpretant ..." > > > RM > If I were a literalist, I would say this: > > > > "But against unclear and nonsensical hypotheses, [of] whatever ægis [he > will be protected]. Pragmatism will be more essentially significant for him > than for any other logician, for the reason that it is in action that > logical energy returns to the uncontrolled and uncriticizable parts of the > mind. His maxim will be this: Peirce: CP 5.212 Cross-Ref:†† *The elements > of every concept enter into logical thought at the gate of perception and > make their exit at the gate of purposive action; and whatever cannot show > its passports at both those two gates is to be arrested as unauthorized by > reason.* Peirce: CP 5.212 Cross-Ref:†† The digestion of such thoughts is > slow, ladies and gentlemen; but when you come in the future to reflect upon > all that I have said, I am confident you will find the seven hours, you > have spent in listening to these ideas, have not been altogether wasted." > > Best, >
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