Ben, Gary, List, As I said in my last note, this thread has wasted everybody's time for no useful purpose.
The real expert on this topic is Tony Jappy, who has devoted years of research and publications to this topic. As I said in the first notes, Tony is the expert on this topic.. But he does not enjoy debates of this kind -- for very good reason . So I posted excerpts from Tony's writings. And I would have been happy to discuss those issues, which are far more important then just supporting a choice of one label (tone) vs another (mark). But Jon would never stop. He kept repeating the same claim over and over and over again. He would not even consider the issues that Tony had published in books and articles. In any case, Tony is the expert. If anybody has any doubts on these issues, discuss them with Tony offline. I have zero desire to continue. John
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