Well IPython is not near to Pharo in terms of flexibility and live coding, and I have been a user of it. For example, recently we made a whole book 13 Mb PDF book in a single Grafoscopio file of just ~600k, with a pretty good layout and final design (more details in other recent thread and in [1]). JupyterLab[2] is going in the direction of becoming a more complete IDE, but there are still a lot of stuff that is better done in Pharo, like unit testing, that in JupyterLab. In fact Brian Granger has told that the "I" is for interactive, not for integrated [3]. Of course, after over a decade of hard work and several millions of dollars, Jupyter is doing pretty well on the interactive notebooks front, but Pharo's edge in live coding and moldability, plus a superb small, agile and friendly community allowed a beginner to prototype valuable propositions about reproducible research and computer storytelling, without such background.
[1] http://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/mapeda/ [2] http://jupyterlab.github.io/ [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejh0ftSjk6g So, I have experienced live coding in IPython/Jupyter and Pharo/Grafoscopio and still I think that Pharo has value proposals hard to find on any behemoths. Live coding there is getting good, but Pharo is even better, and that plus moldability make Pharo unbeatable, when you're changing/exploring a running system. Cheers, Offray On 06/10/17 16:18, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > Wise not to mention Ruby and Python and Pick the worst of the worst in > OOP. Because frankly the competition for Pharo against those two > behemoths can be quite brutal in the flexibility and power of OOP. > > And no , these language can do live coding with ease. I know because I > currently code live coding style with Python for an app I am making. > Sure it wont provide you with a live system out of the box, but put in > 10 lines of code and you already ready to go with hardcore live > coding. At least Python , Ruby being practically a rip off of > Smalltalk language may need even less. > > iPython which by the way is by far the most popular Python tool is the > real deal, a full blow live coding enviroment. > > To my suprise its not even hard to do live coding with C/C++ including > using image format. To my shock live coding is actually supported by > both the OS and the hardware. Hardware has its own exception system , > OS has an image flie format called "memory mapped files" used for DLLs > and a lot of essential functionality. > > For some weird reason however its well hidden and not that much > utilised by coders. They really love long compile times, dont ask me why. > > But yeah C++ even though it has come a long way with its template > system, its still the king of ugly. That sytax, oh the horrors of that > syntax..... yiaks !!! > > I am so enternal greatful that Pharo introduced me to live coding and > opened my eyes to universe of fun and productivity. I cannot imagine > coding an other way ever again. > > I really hope that we take this further though. > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 1:31 PM horrido <horrido.hobb...@gmail.com > <mailto:horrido.hobb...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk > > <https://medium.com/smalltalk-talk/behold-pharo-the-modern-smalltalk-38e132c46053> > > If you would like to suggest some edits, I'm all ears. Anything to > improve > the impact of the article. > > Thanks. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >
