I do not want to sound negative, but the post office will probably decline your
claim anyway. In my experiences they will want to take procession of the item
and you may or may not get it back. I had a situation a couple of years ago
where a claim was denied because of the way in which the seller packed it.
Unfortunately the item was never seen again and no insurance money was ever
paid.
Part of my problem was a very unsympathetic seller, but still the USPS was of
no help either. My post office claimed the item went back to the senders post
office because of the poor packing. That post office denied the claim and sent
it back to the seller. The seller claimed they never got it back and said the
post office had disposed of it. They refused to offer any compensation either
even though the packaging was poor and seemed to be the root of the claim
denial. My advise is to not let the USPS take possession of your horn. Bring it
too them for an inspection if you must, but stay with it at all times.
Personally I will not purchase USPS insurance from a seller, unless forced too,
because you never know how they will actually pack the item. If it is packed
well it probably won't get damaged anyway and if it is packed poorly the claim
will likely be denied. This was not my first problem with the USPS insurance
problems. In their defense I have never had a package lost through the mail,
only letters. The only time I've had anything sent by me get damaged was a wax
cylinder record and that claim was paid.
Great Lakes Antique Phonographs
George Vollema
----- Original Message -----
From: john robles
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Some Advice on a damaged Victor MG horn
Hi Guys
I purchased a Victor IV on eBay that needed some work. Needs a new finish,
a few screws are missing (in the machine, not me), a little cosmetic stuff. Not
much really, considering I got it for about a third of the retail price.
The machine arrived in fine shape, the Victor morning glory horn was
damaged in shipping. A few petals were bent fairly badly, one until the
supporting wire was showing. That one I was able to bend back pretty much to
the correct position.
My question is, is it better to bend them back to shape and settle for good
enough, or should I run an insurance claim on it? The problem here is that the
post office may take the horn if they ofer me a settlement, and then I would
really be out of luck. As it is, I have a damaged horn that could probably be
made 'livable'. By the way, this horn is painted gold. Yuck. I may just get an
original horn to replace it...I have plenty of wiggle room due to the good
price I got it for. I already got a lid latch thanks to George Vollema, but I
need to plug and redrill the holes for it as they are stripped (probably why
the orig latch is gone).
So which is it - insurance, or bend and be mostly satisfied? Or does anyone
know a good way to restore a Victor MG horn?? And is it strip and repaint, or
buy a replacement horn?
Thanks
J
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From plav...@gmail.com Wed Dec 27 08:08:16 2006
From: plav...@gmail.com (Robert Plavzic)
Date: Wed Dec 27 08:08:40 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] The List and Excitment about phonographs
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Hi
Ditto on what Mario has said.
One strange thing that I have noticed is that some of us started at an early
age. I started collecting at 11 - though I did have an earlier interest in
old records....they made good targets for my friends & I for shooting our
air-rifles/ bb guns at (sorry!). Can kick myself for that now.
I'd be interested to know who also caught the disease early?
all the best
Rob
On 12/27/06, Mario Frazzetto <mari...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I was sitting here thinking about the hobby and people that I have met and
> spoken to because of it (including the very helpful members of this list).
> And I can honestly say that I have NEVER been more excited about my hobby
> than I am at present. I've only been collecting 15 years (since I was 13)
> but feel I have been welcomed by so many people with so much wider knowledge
> and experience, and have made some friends in the process. This list has
> served a big part in that excitement.
>
> So thankyou and I wish you all a Very Happy New Year!
>
> Best Regards,
> Mario Frazzetto (Melbourne, AUSTRALIA)
>
> www.PhonographsAndGramophones.com
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From waltsomm...@comcast.net Wed Dec 27 08:11:50 2006
From: waltsomm...@comcast.net (Walt)
Date: Wed Dec 27 08:12:36 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] GOW finish
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Hi Barry,
Victor did indeed have a golden oak finish that was finished with wax (that
is, there was no shellac/varnish used to develop the final sheen). I have
only seen the finish on lower cost machines like the VV-IV and VI, and then
only on machines prior to about 1916. I have not seen the finish on any
upright Victrolas in my experience, but that does not mean that they did not
exist, and in fact, if you take a look at some of Robert Baumbach's writing,
especially the latest publication of "Look for the Dog", you will see that
according to the documents he had access to, the golden oak wax (only)
finish was available for machines of many styles. The Victor nomenclature
for the golden oak wax only finish is GOW. I was personally glad to see
these additions to his writing because I have been observing the finishes
for years.
I think you almost answered your own question though. You note that you have
some badly deteriorated finishes. In my experience, an original gold oak wax
only finish like those I have seen on machines like the VV-IV and VV-VI
generally look dry and weathered but do not look particularly deteriorated.
If the finish has been left as it was originally and not waxed and polished
during its life time (like it should have been) it will simply look like it
has lost its finish entirely. Perhaps someone has "varnished over" the
cabinet at some point in which case it's a different problem. But, my bet is
that because you see what can be described as a visible deterioration of the
finish, you do not have a waxed finish. Waxing and polishing a deteriorated
finish is sort of like spray painting rust. The result is "shiny rust", or
in your case, "shiny deterioration".
A key to responsibly assessing what the correct finish was, is, should be
and then how to restore or refinish it begins with looking carefully along
cabinet edges, under the machine tag, escutcheons, etc., to see what of the
original finish remains. Also look at the lid decals on machines that have
lids. Find as many areas as you can to study and it's a sure bet that the
finish will almost scream out to you and beg to be saved...well, almost.
I don't know if the machine that you mention you saw on eBay has a golden
oak wax finish or not, but I would at least like to see it. What is/was the
auction number?
The wax only finish is certainly much easier to apply then the shellac, but
regarding conservation and restoration, "ease" is never the issue for me:
correctness is. I'm not an advocate of turning a finish into what I want it
to be; but rather, determining what it was, and therefore what it should be
(again).
Walt Sommers
Gettysburg Antique Phonographs
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From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of bkasindorf
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:42 AM
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] GOW finish
Hi,
I saw this referred to on Ebay. It was an oak XVI and the seller said it had
the Golder Oak Waxonly finish. I had not heard of this before. I have a few
oak Victors of that period that the finish has deteriorated on. If all it
takes the right kind of wax to refinish it I can easily do that and get this
machines looking good again. Anyone else heard of this?
-Barry
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