I believe the purpose of PLUG as formal organization is to represent Linux users in the Philippines. We all love Linux and support one another through the mailing list, but where will it take us? ask yourself what have we achieved and what are the efforts we've done to promote Linux and Open Source in the Philippines? If we'll do protest in front of the congress about the misuse of funds for IT in the government and urge govt agencies to use open source instead of M$, who do we represent? if some company will donate for our advocacy, how do we acknowledge it? a mailing list? a virtual group? we must at least have a legal entity. The mailing list will always be there and open for everyone, even if PLUG, the formal group, is dissolved.
I don't think forming a legal entity will divide us, but instead make us stronger and united, because it'll boost our sense of pride as the first Linux users group in the PHils. We have to accept the fact that times are changing, what's working for us before may not work well today. It's time to move on to greater heights. On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 00:29 +0800, Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: > I went away for just a few days and what do we have here!? > > Anyway....my comments... > > - PLUG was orginally conceived to be free and easy going. In fact when > people asked me how to join PLUG (a few years back when I was still > running the list), I simply stated, join the mailing list. That's it. > If you make rules, harsh ones at that, you create dissension and > factions. > You needn't worry about people with differing mindsets joining the > group. If they say something that that would be detrimental, I'm sure > Ian will shoot him down first...the rest will just kick him when he's > down... > > - the board can do whatever they like, but they cannot do this.. > > >Anyway, quoting the PLUG Constitution, Chapter XII: Effectivity: > >"This constitution shall take effect upon approval of the Board. > >The provision of this Constitution shall be prospective in character > >and nature." > > Why?...Constitution should be approved and ratified by its members, > not the board. > > - - am curious at what the function of juridical members (or institutional > members)...is there a need? just ask them for donations and let them > promote their product...you needn't collect individual membership fees... > On the other hand, what ever happened to the membership fees? > > -- lifetime members -- why? just be a regular member. for life. period. > You create a category for lifetime members, but who will nominate and > approve lifetime members?...lifetime members? ...chicken and egg > problems. If the GA > is going to approve it, what constitute a GA? 50% of the members > should be present?... > lifetime members category also creates an elitist environment -- what > happens to members that are nominated but not approved or did not > pass? This can become highly subjective and the end result is > divisiveness. > > >The PLUG, PH-Linux-Newbie and PLUG-Misc mailing lists are still open for > >everyone, members, non-members and to the community. We are not > >planning to separate the mailing lists. What we're doing here is to > >make PLUG an organized and formal organization, not a group of people > >that just come and go. > > I hear you...but what's wrong with a group of people that come and go? > people that "go" aren't members and people that "come" are members that > define what the group should be doing...quite dynamic in fact... > If they go, they aren't members, right? PLUG's nature is really different... > unlike any organization...there is organization in chaos...and there's chaos > in organization...the more order you try to put, the more chaotic it becomes. > -- > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > [email protected] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) > Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph > Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph > . > To leave, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug > . > Are you a Linux newbie? To join the newbie list, go to > http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/ph-linux-newbie -- Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List [email protected] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph . To leave, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug . Are you a Linux newbie? To join the newbie list, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/ph-linux-newbie
