I'n not against a legal entity. Only the difficult rules that come with it.
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:52:31 +0800, Lito Lampitoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe the purpose of PLUG as formal organization is to represent > Linux users in the Philippines. We all love Linux and support one > another through the mailing list, but where will it take us? ask > yourself what have we achieved and what are the efforts we've done to > promote Linux and Open Source in the Philippines? If we'll do protest in > front of the congress about the misuse of funds for IT in the government > and urge govt agencies to use open source instead of M$, who do we > represent? if some company will donate for our advocacy, how do we > acknowledge it? a mailing list? a virtual group? we must at least have a > legal entity. The mailing list will always be there and open for > everyone, even if PLUG, the formal group, is dissolved. > > I don't think forming a legal entity will divide us, but instead make us > stronger and united, because it'll boost our sense of pride as the first > Linux users group in the PHils. > > We have to accept the fact that times are changing, what's working for > us before may not work well today. It's time to move on to greater > heights. > > > On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 00:29 +0800, Kelsey Hartigan Go wrote: > > I went away for just a few days and what do we have here!? > > > > Anyway....my comments... > > > > - PLUG was orginally conceived to be free and easy going. In fact when > > people asked me how to join PLUG (a few years back when I was still > > running the list), I simply stated, join the mailing list. That's it. > > If you make rules, harsh ones at that, you create dissension and > > factions. > > You needn't worry about people with differing mindsets joining the > > group. If they say something that that would be detrimental, I'm sure > > Ian will shoot him down first...the rest will just kick him when he's > > down... > > > > - the board can do whatever they like, but they cannot do this.. > > > > >Anyway, quoting the PLUG Constitution, Chapter XII: Effectivity: > > >"This constitution shall take effect upon approval of the Board. > > >The provision of this Constitution shall be prospective in character > > >and nature." > > > > Why?...Constitution should be approved and ratified by its members, > > not the board. > > > > - - am curious at what the function of juridical members (or institutional > > members)...is there a need? just ask them for donations and let them > > promote their product...you needn't collect individual membership fees... > > On the other hand, what ever happened to the membership fees? > > > > -- lifetime members -- why? just be a regular member. for life. period. > > You create a category for lifetime members, but who will nominate and > > approve lifetime members?...lifetime members? ...chicken and egg > > problems. If the GA > > is going to approve it, what constitute a GA? 50% of the members > > should be present?... > > lifetime members category also creates an elitist environment -- what > > happens to members that are nominated but not approved or did not > > pass? This can become highly subjective and the end result is > > divisiveness. > > > > >The PLUG, PH-Linux-Newbie and PLUG-Misc mailing lists are still open for > > >everyone, members, non-members and to the community. We are not > > >planning to separate the mailing lists. What we're doing here is to > > >make PLUG an organized and formal organization, not a group of people > > >that just come and go. > > > > I hear you...but what's wrong with a group of people that come and go? > > people that "go" aren't members and people that "come" are members that > > define what the group should be doing...quite dynamic in fact... > > If they go, they aren't members, right? PLUG's nature is really > > different... > > unlike any organization...there is organization in chaos...and there's chaos > > in organization...the more order you try to put, the more chaotic it > > becomes. > > -- > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > [email protected] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) > > Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph > > Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph > > . > > To leave, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug > > . > > Are you a Linux newbie? To join the newbie list, go to > > http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/ph-linux-newbie > > -- Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List [email protected] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph . To leave, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug . Are you a Linux newbie? To join the newbie list, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/ph-linux-newbie
