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The American civil war converted chattel property slaves to public property
slaves, and thus made slaves of all blacks as a class to all whites as a
class, no matter where they resided. The exact same thing happened upon the
establishment of christrianity early in the fourth century by Constantine I.
Proof? You are surrounded by it. Look at the christian 'work ethic' and
the "camel through the eye of the needle' bit. Both support slavery through
the enforcement of poverty and protection of the rich from competition by
the poor, and protection of the profits made for them by the poor. All of
the blind obedience crap preached from the pulpits every day is just more
slave control stuff. Only gunpowder ever overcame it.
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From: "Hank Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:05 PM
Subject: [pnews-views] Re: [pnews-news] Islam Means Death to Infidels
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> Slavery and Freedom from Want..
>
> Enjoy your fantasy Charles. Connecting the reason for Christianity to
Roman
> culture and slavery as you have done is a stretch of imagination which
goes
> beyond sane analysis. I've never seen anything from you that even
resembles
> decent logic - and no citations, no proof, no comparative analysis of any
kind.
> Your level of discourse is sinking into the abyss. If you want to tie
these
> concepts to metaphors, do so, but say so - otherwise, you are developing
your
> own terms and they just don't work because they are not true because they
> cannot be proved/have not been proved.
>
> With any predicate hypothesis you need to lay down your theory and then
develop
> it subject to challenge. You have yet to do that. I'm waiting...
>
> As for real slavery, that is what goes on in some parts of the Sudan and
> elsewhere in Africa today. As for real freedom, that means economic
freedom as
> well as freedom to choose, to make choices. And to make choices that will
not
> be harmful to others.
>
> Ideas about freedom suffused American culture especially after the Civil
War
> for a time, a short time actually - during Reconstruction - which ended
about
> 12 years after it was started and it took almost a hundred years to return
to
> ideas of "real" freedom of equal rights, privileges and opportunities -
which
> included freeing once again those who were once slaves and the children of
> slaves --- this time however with freedom (but not yet full freedom) to
choose
> and participate in the political process and enjoy the same rights and the
same
> drinking fountains and the same bathrooms, etc.
>
> Unfortunately the language (how it is applied and how and what it is
assumed to
> include) of freedom alters its meaning - as does literal "slavery" and
> metaphorical slavery - through periods in history as it evolves to be more
> inclusive or skips back to be less so.
>
> An example was when the "freedom train" in 48 after the war, travelled
> this country to demonstrate how this country held freedom up as our
> highest standard, and demonstrate the difference between American freedom
> and Nazism, yet visits to the train were interrupted for a time when it
> seemed they might have to integrate the viewing of the exhibits. Visits
> were cancelled in Memphis, TN and Birmingham, AL because city fathers
> insisted there that black and white could not go on the train at the same
> time - but the train did visit with incident about 45 other American
> cities.
>
> It is an interesting time in our history - and illustrative of the
> problems with freedom and the opposition to black equality - especially
> when German POWS during WWII received better treatment than did American
> solders of color.
>
> "Free" enterprise also took on the meaning - to
> maintain the economic and social "status quo."
>
> During the Cold War freedom took on new meaning when Truman declared his
> doctrine and people were literally being enslaved in the gulags of the
> Soviet Union. The Cold War changed freedom's meaning with the
> "Communist World" against the "Free World."
>
> No words are more central to America than "freedom" along with "liberty."
> The war in Iraq has been called by the Bush administration "operation
> Iraqi Freedom." - skewed as that might be. The Civil War was fought, said
> Lincoln to bring about a "new birth of freedom" (from slavery).
>
> Hank
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Charles W. Smith wrote:
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> > Using an integration of the best historical evidence available,
christianity
> > seems to have been invented to be the protector of Roman styled
capitalism,
> > and the perpetuator of the Roman institution of human slavery. No new
> > invention of 'terms' is necessary to observe this in history. That
> > definition of capitalism is the oldest definition in the world, it is
the
> > original definition from the late Grecian period that led into the
formation
> > of Rome. Capitalists still prefer slaves to provide them their wealth
to
> > this day. Thus their flight from the USA to the places of cheapest
labor.
> > .
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> >>
> >>
> >> Please...... AS a card-carrying ex-communist, you are telling me what
> >> capitalism is?
> >>
> >> And Christianity is most definitely not slavery in the literal sense.
> >> Capitalism is a systemically flawed economic system, but it is not
> >> the reason why people are Christians. But that topic has also been
covered
> >> here before. If you want to try to become a philosopher, try not to
invent
> >> new terms and definitions.
> >>
> >> The subject you responded to had nothing to do with the tangent you got
> >> yourself trapped in. Islam means death to infidels. Try to stay on
topic.
> >>
> >> Hank
>
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