I think you're misplaced, and that the trend toward spirituality and religion will continue to grow.
I've seen the 70 percent poll, (I think by Pew) but I've also seen reputable polls that put the Nation's spirituality as a whole closer to 80 percent. On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > 70.6 is less than 75% (which I believe is 3/4) but the trend has been away > from organized religion as a hole, it wont be long before it's below 50%. > > I personally stopped going to Church more than 30 years ago, I was raised > Roman Catholic, I don't practice anymore ... I got it right!!! > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> (The poll is by Gallop, and they're not too different than Pew....The >> bottom line, is that more than three quarters of this Nation identify with >> being Christian, and that is fact.....) >> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, plainolamerican < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I'd trust Pew before a bunch of cowgirls in Houston. >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 12:23:52 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Poll-Nearly-80-percent-of-Americans-say-they-are-2444092.php >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation >>>>> --- >>>>> delusion noted. >>>>> >>>>> The number of Americans who identify as Christian has fallen nearly >>>>> eight percentage points in only seven years, according to a new survey. >>>>> Pew >>>>> Research Center found that *71%* of Americans identified as Christian >>>>> in 2014 - down from *78%* in 2007. >>>>> >>>>> and of those 71%, only a small fraction are zionists ... sorta like >>>>> the small percentage of muzzies who are radical killiers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/United.Syrian.Republic/videos/1730600583840768/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:13:59 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No doubt, there are some agencies who are Christian based, who are >>>>>> advocating for the refugee program to continue. Thankfully, the majority >>>>>> of Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation, are opposed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I do know that most Christians are opposed to the resettlement of >>>>>>> Syrian Refugees in the United States >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a >>>>>>> core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most >>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI <http://www.politico.com/staff/nahal-toosi> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 11/17/15 06:24 PM EST >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updated 11/18/15 08:43 PM EST >>>>>>> [image: Republican presidential candidate, former Arkansas Gov. Mike >>>>>>> Huckabee speaks at executive committee luncheon during the California >>>>>>> GOP >>>>>>> fall convention on Friday, Sept. 18, 2015 in Anaheim, Calif. (AP >>>>>>> Photo/Chris Carlson)] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike Huckabee along with other politicians, have worked to gain >>>>>>> evangelical support, but may be threatening that by taking a stance >>>>>>> against >>>>>>> Syrian refugees. | AP Photo >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to >>>>>>>>>> the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of anti-refugee >>>>>>>>>> fervor >>>>>>>>>> set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to >>>>>>>>>> contact >>>>>>>>>> elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a >>>>>>>>>> core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most >>>>>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian >>>>>>>>>> refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our >>>>>>>>>> constituencies, >>>>>>>>>> which are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny Yang, >>>>>>>>>> vice >>>>>>>>>> president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical organization >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we >>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>> continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... >>>>>>>>>> doesn’t >>>>>>>>>> reflect who refugees are." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Reports that a Syrian migrant may have played a role in last >>>>>>>>>> week's attacks in Paris, which killed around 130 people, have set >>>>>>>>>> off a >>>>>>>>>> GOP-led backlash over the Obama administration's plans to admit >>>>>>>>>> 10,000 >>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees next year. More than half of U.S. governors have >>>>>>>>>> said they >>>>>>>>>> do not want Syrian refugees resettled in their states, while House >>>>>>>>>> Speaker >>>>>>>>>> Paul Ryan says he wants a vote this week on GOP-drafted legislation >>>>>>>>>> to halt >>>>>>>>>> the administration's plans. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> World Relief is one of nine not-for-profit organizations, several >>>>>>>>>> of them faith-based, that help resettle up to 70,000 refugees from >>>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>>> the world in the United States each year. Others include the U.S. >>>>>>>>>> Conference of Catholic Bishops, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee >>>>>>>>>> Service, >>>>>>>>>> and the Church World Service. Many other faith-based groups, >>>>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>>>> evangelical Christian organizations, also perform aid work overseas >>>>>>>>>> specifically aimed at refugees fleeing conflicts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 151117_Paul_Ryan_AP_1160.jpg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> House likely to vote Thursday on Syrian refugee bill >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By JAKE SHERMAN >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For Republican presidential contenders such as former Arkansas >>>>>>>>>> Gov. Mike Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who have been working >>>>>>>>>> hard at >>>>>>>>>> shoring up evangelical support in a crowded field, harsh words >>>>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>>>> refugees carries a risk of looking politically opportunistic instead >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> compassionate. Some advocates were particularly shocked when >>>>>>>>>> Republican >>>>>>>>>> presidential candidate Chris Christie, New Jersey's governor, said >>>>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>>>> U.S. should bar Syrian orphaned toddlers if necessary. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "That was offensive. That was mean-spirited," said one advocate >>>>>>>>>> with a Christian group that resettles refugees. He added: "it’s >>>>>>>>>> disappointing because there have been Republican senators and >>>>>>>>>> presidents >>>>>>>>>> who have strongly supported this program over the years. There’s a >>>>>>>>>> proud >>>>>>>>>> tradition in the Republican Party of welcoming those who are fleeing >>>>>>>>>> persecution, and this takes the party in a negative direction. It’s >>>>>>>>>> easy to >>>>>>>>>> pick on vulnerable refugees who have no voice. But there are >>>>>>>>>> immigrant >>>>>>>>>> groups who have voting power that understand what is going on. They >>>>>>>>>> understand that it’s an anti-immigrant message." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even though many on the Christian right have reservations about >>>>>>>>>> immigration overall, and may in particular be unhappy about people >>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>> illegally enter the United States, there's long been a recognition >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> refugees fall under a different category. The 11 million Syrians who >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> either fled the Arab country or are displaced within it are dodging >>>>>>>>>> terrorist groups such as the Islamic State or the barrel bombs of >>>>>>>>>> Syrian >>>>>>>>>> President Bashar Assad. Many are elderly, widowed or in need of >>>>>>>>>> medical >>>>>>>>>> care. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some Republican candidates have suggested that only Syrians who >>>>>>>>>> are Christian be allowed on U.S. soil, something President Barack >>>>>>>>>> Obama has >>>>>>>>>> blasted as shameful. Yang said many evangelical Christians would also >>>>>>>>>> oppose such a religious test, especially because many are eager to >>>>>>>>>> share >>>>>>>>>> their faith with new arrivals. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The United States so far has admitted roughly 2,100 Syrians since >>>>>>>>>> the conflict in the country began in March 2011. To be allowed in, >>>>>>>>>> refugees >>>>>>>>>> have to undergo the most stringent security checks of any traveler >>>>>>>>>> heading >>>>>>>>>> to the United States, according to the State Department. Officials >>>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>>> Obama administration on Tuesday began reaching out to the media and >>>>>>>>>> lawmakers in a bid to explain the screening process, which takes an >>>>>>>>>> average >>>>>>>>>> of 18-24 months. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, faith-based groups have also stepped up their advocacy >>>>>>>>>> efforts for refugees. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops >>>>>>>>>> released a >>>>>>>>>> statement expressing distress over calls by elected officials to >>>>>>>>>> halt the >>>>>>>>>> resettlement program. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 151117_syrian_refugees_AP_1160.jpg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> White House pushes back against GOP on refugees >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "These refugees are fleeing terror themselves — violence like we >>>>>>>>>> have witnessed in Paris," said the statement by Bishop Eusebio >>>>>>>>>> Elizondo, >>>>>>>>>> chairman of the conference's committee on migration. "Instead of >>>>>>>>>> using this >>>>>>>>>> tragedy to scapegoat all refugees, I call upon our public officials >>>>>>>>>> to work >>>>>>>>>> together to end the Syrian conflict peacefully so the close to 4 >>>>>>>>>> million >>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees can return to their country and rebuild their homes. >>>>>>>>>> Until >>>>>>>>>> that goal is achieved, we must work with the world community to >>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>> safe haven to vulnerable and deserving refugees who are simply >>>>>>>>>> attempting >>>>>>>>>> to survive." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since the Paris attacks, World Relief has used a website to urge >>>>>>>>>> people to contact their governors to express their support for >>>>>>>>>> resettling >>>>>>>>>> Syrians. The Anti-Defamation League also has spoken out in favor of >>>>>>>>>> helping >>>>>>>>>> the Syrian refugees, noting that U.S. wariness to accept Jewish >>>>>>>>>> refugees >>>>>>>>>> during World War II is an example that must not be repeated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive officer of the ADL and a >>>>>>>>>> former Obama aide, stressed that much remains unknown about the Paris >>>>>>>>>> attacks, including the exact nature of the allegation that a Syrian >>>>>>>>>> migrant >>>>>>>>>> was one of the eight or nine attackers. Even if a terrorist posed as >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> migrant to reach France, it's less likely that the U.S., with oceans >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> protect it and a stricter screening process, faces the same level of >>>>>>>>>> dangers, other advocates said. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Republicans and Democrats have to tread very carefully here," >>>>>>>>>> Greenblatt said. "Faith-based voters are very attentive to these >>>>>>>>>> issues. >>>>>>>>>> They’re very sensitive to helping those in need." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Joanne Kelsey, assistant director for advocacy with Lutheran >>>>>>>>>> Immigration and Refugee Service, said she hoped that the sound and >>>>>>>>>> fury >>>>>>>>>> over refugees would soon be replaced with reason as Republican >>>>>>>>>> lawmakers >>>>>>>>>> and officials get more details about how the refugee program works. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "This is a very reactionary time," she said. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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