That may be true or not, but I can say that I know more people who do not go to church or temple than do go. Especially people younger than me ... only time will tell!!!
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > I think you're misplaced, and that the trend toward spirituality and > religion will continue to grow. > > I've seen the 70 percent poll, (I think by Pew) but I've also seen > reputable polls that put the Nation's spirituality as a whole closer to 80 > percent. > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> 70.6 is less than 75% (which I believe is 3/4) but the trend has been >> away from organized religion as a hole, it wont be long before it's below >> 50%. >> >> I personally stopped going to Church more than 30 years ago, I was raised >> Roman Catholic, I don't practice anymore ... I got it right!!! >> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> (The poll is by Gallop, and they're not too different than Pew....The >>> bottom line, is that more than three quarters of this Nation identify with >>> being Christian, and that is fact.....) >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, plainolamerican < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I'd trust Pew before a bunch of cowgirls in Houston. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 12:23:52 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Poll-Nearly-80-percent-of-Americans-say-they-are-2444092.php >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation >>>>>> --- >>>>>> delusion noted. >>>>>> >>>>>> The number of Americans who identify as Christian has fallen nearly >>>>>> eight percentage points in only seven years, according to a new survey. >>>>>> Pew >>>>>> Research Center found that *71%* of Americans identified as >>>>>> Christian in 2014 - down from *78%* in 2007. >>>>>> >>>>>> and of those 71%, only a small fraction are zionists ... sorta like >>>>>> the small percentage of muzzies who are radical killiers. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/United.Syrian.Republic/videos/1730600583840768/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:13:59 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No doubt, there are some agencies who are Christian based, who are >>>>>>> advocating for the refugee program to continue. Thankfully, the >>>>>>> majority >>>>>>> of Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation, are opposed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do know that most Christians are opposed to the resettlement of >>>>>>>> Syrian Refugees in the United States >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a >>>>>>>> core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most >>>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI <http://www.politico.com/staff/nahal-toosi> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 11/17/15 06:24 PM EST >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updated 11/18/15 08:43 PM EST >>>>>>>> [image: Republican presidential candidate, former Arkansas Gov. >>>>>>>> Mike Huckabee speaks at executive committee luncheon during the >>>>>>>> California >>>>>>>> GOP fall convention on Friday, Sept. 18, 2015 in Anaheim, Calif. (AP >>>>>>>> Photo/Chris Carlson)] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike Huckabee along with other politicians, have worked to gain >>>>>>>> evangelical support, but may be threatening that by taking a stance >>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>> Syrian refugees. | AP Photo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to >>>>>>>>>>> the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of >>>>>>>>>>> anti-refugee fervor >>>>>>>>>>> set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to >>>>>>>>>>> contact >>>>>>>>>>> elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are >>>>>>>>>>> a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most >>>>>>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian >>>>>>>>>>> refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our >>>>>>>>>>> constituencies, >>>>>>>>>>> which are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny >>>>>>>>>>> Yang, vice >>>>>>>>>>> president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical organization >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we >>>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>>> continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... >>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t >>>>>>>>>>> reflect who refugees are." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Reports that a Syrian migrant may have played a role in last >>>>>>>>>>> week's attacks in Paris, which killed around 130 people, have set >>>>>>>>>>> off a >>>>>>>>>>> GOP-led backlash over the Obama administration's plans to admit >>>>>>>>>>> 10,000 >>>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees next year. More than half of U.S. governors have >>>>>>>>>>> said they >>>>>>>>>>> do not want Syrian refugees resettled in their states, while House >>>>>>>>>>> Speaker >>>>>>>>>>> Paul Ryan says he wants a vote this week on GOP-drafted legislation >>>>>>>>>>> to halt >>>>>>>>>>> the administration's plans. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> World Relief is one of nine not-for-profit organizations, >>>>>>>>>>> several of them faith-based, that help resettle up to 70,000 >>>>>>>>>>> refugees from >>>>>>>>>>> around the world in the United States each year. Others include the >>>>>>>>>>> U.S. >>>>>>>>>>> Conference of Catholic Bishops, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee >>>>>>>>>>> Service, >>>>>>>>>>> and the Church World Service. Many other faith-based groups, >>>>>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>>>>> evangelical Christian organizations, also perform aid work overseas >>>>>>>>>>> specifically aimed at refugees fleeing conflicts. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 151117_Paul_Ryan_AP_1160.jpg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> House likely to vote Thursday on Syrian refugee bill >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By JAKE SHERMAN >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For Republican presidential contenders such as former Arkansas >>>>>>>>>>> Gov. Mike Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who have been working >>>>>>>>>>> hard at >>>>>>>>>>> shoring up evangelical support in a crowded field, harsh words >>>>>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>>>>> refugees carries a risk of looking politically opportunistic >>>>>>>>>>> instead of >>>>>>>>>>> compassionate. Some advocates were particularly shocked when >>>>>>>>>>> Republican >>>>>>>>>>> presidential candidate Chris Christie, New Jersey's governor, said >>>>>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>>>>> U.S. should bar Syrian orphaned toddlers if necessary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "That was offensive. That was mean-spirited," said one advocate >>>>>>>>>>> with a Christian group that resettles refugees. He added: "it’s >>>>>>>>>>> disappointing because there have been Republican senators and >>>>>>>>>>> presidents >>>>>>>>>>> who have strongly supported this program over the years. There’s a >>>>>>>>>>> proud >>>>>>>>>>> tradition in the Republican Party of welcoming those who are fleeing >>>>>>>>>>> persecution, and this takes the party in a negative direction. It’s >>>>>>>>>>> easy to >>>>>>>>>>> pick on vulnerable refugees who have no voice. But there are >>>>>>>>>>> immigrant >>>>>>>>>>> groups who have voting power that understand what is going on. They >>>>>>>>>>> understand that it’s an anti-immigrant message." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Even though many on the Christian right have reservations about >>>>>>>>>>> immigration overall, and may in particular be unhappy about people >>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>> illegally enter the United States, there's long been a recognition >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> refugees fall under a different category. The 11 million Syrians >>>>>>>>>>> who have >>>>>>>>>>> either fled the Arab country or are displaced within it are dodging >>>>>>>>>>> terrorist groups such as the Islamic State or the barrel bombs of >>>>>>>>>>> Syrian >>>>>>>>>>> President Bashar Assad. Many are elderly, widowed or in need of >>>>>>>>>>> medical >>>>>>>>>>> care. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some Republican candidates have suggested that only Syrians who >>>>>>>>>>> are Christian be allowed on U.S. soil, something President Barack >>>>>>>>>>> Obama has >>>>>>>>>>> blasted as shameful. Yang said many evangelical Christians would >>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>> oppose such a religious test, especially because many are eager to >>>>>>>>>>> share >>>>>>>>>>> their faith with new arrivals. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The United States so far has admitted roughly 2,100 Syrians >>>>>>>>>>> since the conflict in the country began in March 2011. To be >>>>>>>>>>> allowed in, >>>>>>>>>>> refugees have to undergo the most stringent security checks of any >>>>>>>>>>> traveler >>>>>>>>>>> heading to the United States, according to the State Department. >>>>>>>>>>> Officials >>>>>>>>>>> from the Obama administration on Tuesday began reaching out to the >>>>>>>>>>> media >>>>>>>>>>> and lawmakers in a bid to explain the screening process, which >>>>>>>>>>> takes an >>>>>>>>>>> average of 18-24 months. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, faith-based groups have also stepped up their >>>>>>>>>>> advocacy efforts for refugees. The U.S. Conference of Catholic >>>>>>>>>>> Bishops >>>>>>>>>>> released a statement expressing distress over calls by elected >>>>>>>>>>> officials to >>>>>>>>>>> halt the resettlement program. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 151117_syrian_refugees_AP_1160.jpg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> White House pushes back against GOP on refugees >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "These refugees are fleeing terror themselves — violence like we >>>>>>>>>>> have witnessed in Paris," said the statement by Bishop Eusebio >>>>>>>>>>> Elizondo, >>>>>>>>>>> chairman of the conference's committee on migration. "Instead of >>>>>>>>>>> using this >>>>>>>>>>> tragedy to scapegoat all refugees, I call upon our public officials >>>>>>>>>>> to work >>>>>>>>>>> together to end the Syrian conflict peacefully so the close to 4 >>>>>>>>>>> million >>>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees can return to their country and rebuild their >>>>>>>>>>> homes. Until >>>>>>>>>>> that goal is achieved, we must work with the world community to >>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>> safe haven to vulnerable and deserving refugees who are simply >>>>>>>>>>> attempting >>>>>>>>>>> to survive." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Since the Paris attacks, World Relief has used a website to urge >>>>>>>>>>> people to contact their governors to express their support for >>>>>>>>>>> resettling >>>>>>>>>>> Syrians. The Anti-Defamation League also has spoken out in favor of >>>>>>>>>>> helping >>>>>>>>>>> the Syrian refugees, noting that U.S. wariness to accept Jewish >>>>>>>>>>> refugees >>>>>>>>>>> during World War II is an example that must not be repeated. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive officer of the ADL and >>>>>>>>>>> a former Obama aide, stressed that much remains unknown about the >>>>>>>>>>> Paris >>>>>>>>>>> attacks, including the exact nature of the allegation that a Syrian >>>>>>>>>>> migrant >>>>>>>>>>> was one of the eight or nine attackers. Even if a terrorist posed >>>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>> migrant to reach France, it's less likely that the U.S., with >>>>>>>>>>> oceans to >>>>>>>>>>> protect it and a stricter screening process, faces the same level of >>>>>>>>>>> dangers, other advocates said. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Republicans and Democrats have to tread very carefully here," >>>>>>>>>>> Greenblatt said. "Faith-based voters are very attentive to these >>>>>>>>>>> issues. >>>>>>>>>>> They’re very sensitive to helping those in need." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Joanne Kelsey, assistant director for advocacy with Lutheran >>>>>>>>>>> Immigration and Refugee Service, said she hoped that the sound and >>>>>>>>>>> fury >>>>>>>>>>> over refugees would soon be replaced with reason as Republican >>>>>>>>>>> lawmakers >>>>>>>>>>> and officials get more details about how the refugee program works. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "This is a very reactionary time," she said. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>> For options & help see >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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