So your version of being a Christian is like a Chinese Menu ... pick what you like and ignore what you don't!!! Part of the Roman Catholic upbringing basically said it was a sin not to go to church every Sunday and Holy day of Obligation!!! I stopped attending when it felt more like an attendance contest than getting anything from the experience!!!
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think one has to "Regularly Attend" in order to identify as a > Christian, or holding Christian principles and tenets dear. > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That may be true or not, but I can say that I know more people who do not >> go to church or temple than do go. Especially people younger than me ... >> only time will tell!!! >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I think you're misplaced, and that the trend toward spirituality and >>> religion will continue to grow. >>> >>> I've seen the 70 percent poll, (I think by Pew) but I've also seen >>> reputable polls that put the Nation's spirituality as a whole closer to 80 >>> percent. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> 70.6 is less than 75% (which I believe is 3/4) but the trend has been >>>> away from organized religion as a hole, it wont be long before it's below >>>> 50%. >>>> >>>> I personally stopped going to Church more than 30 years ago, I was >>>> raised Roman Catholic, I don't practice anymore ... I got it right!!! >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> (The poll is by Gallop, and they're not too different than Pew....The >>>>> bottom line, is that more than three quarters of this Nation identify with >>>>> being Christian, and that is fact.....) >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'd trust Pew before a bunch of cowgirls in Houston. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 12:23:52 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Poll-Nearly-80-percent-of-Americans-say-they-are-2444092.php >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> delusion noted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The number of Americans who identify as Christian has fallen nearly >>>>>>>> eight percentage points in only seven years, according to a new >>>>>>>> survey. Pew >>>>>>>> Research Center found that *71%* of Americans identified as >>>>>>>> Christian in 2014 - down from *78%* in 2007. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and of those 71%, only a small fraction are zionists ... sorta like >>>>>>>> the small percentage of muzzies who are radical killiers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/United.Syrian.Republic/videos/1730600583840768/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:13:59 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No doubt, there are some agencies who are Christian based, who are >>>>>>>>> advocating for the refugee program to continue. Thankfully, the >>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>> of Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation, are opposed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do know that most Christians are opposed to the resettlement of >>>>>>>>>> Syrian Refugees in the United States >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a >>>>>>>>>> core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most >>>>>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI <http://www.politico.com/staff/nahal-toosi> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 11/17/15 06:24 PM EST >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Updated 11/18/15 08:43 PM EST >>>>>>>>>> [image: Republican presidential candidate, former Arkansas Gov. >>>>>>>>>> Mike Huckabee speaks at executive committee luncheon during the >>>>>>>>>> California >>>>>>>>>> GOP fall convention on Friday, Sept. 18, 2015 in Anaheim, Calif. (AP >>>>>>>>>> Photo/Chris Carlson)] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike Huckabee along with other politicians, have worked to gain >>>>>>>>>> evangelical support, but may be threatening that by taking a stance >>>>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees. | AP Photo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of >>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-refugee >>>>>>>>>>>>> fervor set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging >>>>>>>>>>>>> supporters to >>>>>>>>>>>>> contact elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian >>>>>>>>>>>>> civil war. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, >>>>>>>>>>>>> are a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among >>>>>>>>>>>>> the most >>>>>>>>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian >>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our >>>>>>>>>>>>> constituencies, >>>>>>>>>>>>> which are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yang, vice >>>>>>>>>>>>> president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical >>>>>>>>>>>>> organization that >>>>>>>>>>>>> helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t >>>>>>>>>>>>> reflect who refugees are." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reports that a Syrian migrant may have played a role in last >>>>>>>>>>>>> week's attacks in Paris, which killed around 130 people, have set >>>>>>>>>>>>> off a >>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP-led backlash over the Obama administration's plans to admit >>>>>>>>>>>>> 10,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees next year. More than half of U.S. governors have >>>>>>>>>>>>> said they >>>>>>>>>>>>> do not want Syrian refugees resettled in their states, while >>>>>>>>>>>>> House Speaker >>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Ryan says he wants a vote this week on GOP-drafted >>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation to halt >>>>>>>>>>>>> the administration's plans. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> World Relief is one of nine not-for-profit organizations, >>>>>>>>>>>>> several of them faith-based, that help resettle up to 70,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees from >>>>>>>>>>>>> around the world in the United States each year. Others include >>>>>>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Conference of Catholic Bishops, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee >>>>>>>>>>>>> Service, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and the Church World Service. Many other faith-based groups, >>>>>>>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>>>>>>> evangelical Christian organizations, also perform aid work >>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas >>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically aimed at refugees fleeing conflicts. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 151117_Paul_Ryan_AP_1160.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> House likely to vote Thursday on Syrian refugee bill >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> By JAKE SHERMAN >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For Republican presidential contenders such as former Arkansas >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gov. Mike Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who have been working >>>>>>>>>>>>> hard at >>>>>>>>>>>>> shoring up evangelical support in a crowded field, harsh words >>>>>>>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees carries a risk of looking politically opportunistic >>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>> compassionate. Some advocates were particularly shocked when >>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican >>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential candidate Chris Christie, New Jersey's governor, >>>>>>>>>>>>> said that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S. should bar Syrian orphaned toddlers if necessary. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "That was offensive. That was mean-spirited," said one >>>>>>>>>>>>> advocate with a Christian group that resettles refugees. He >>>>>>>>>>>>> added: "it’s >>>>>>>>>>>>> disappointing because there have been Republican senators and >>>>>>>>>>>>> presidents >>>>>>>>>>>>> who have strongly supported this program over the years. There’s >>>>>>>>>>>>> a proud >>>>>>>>>>>>> tradition in the Republican Party of welcoming those who are >>>>>>>>>>>>> fleeing >>>>>>>>>>>>> persecution, and this takes the party in a negative direction. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s easy to >>>>>>>>>>>>> pick on vulnerable refugees who have no voice. But there are >>>>>>>>>>>>> immigrant >>>>>>>>>>>>> groups who have voting power that understand what is going on. >>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>> understand that it’s an anti-immigrant message." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Even though many on the Christian right have reservations >>>>>>>>>>>>> about immigration overall, and may in particular be unhappy about >>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>> who illegally enter the United States, there's long been a >>>>>>>>>>>>> recognition that >>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees fall under a different category. The 11 million Syrians >>>>>>>>>>>>> who have >>>>>>>>>>>>> either fled the Arab country or are displaced within it are >>>>>>>>>>>>> dodging >>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorist groups such as the Islamic State or the barrel bombs of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrian >>>>>>>>>>>>> President Bashar Assad. Many are elderly, widowed or in need of >>>>>>>>>>>>> medical >>>>>>>>>>>>> care. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Some Republican candidates have suggested that only Syrians >>>>>>>>>>>>> who are Christian be allowed on U.S. soil, something President >>>>>>>>>>>>> Barack Obama >>>>>>>>>>>>> has blasted as shameful. Yang said many evangelical Christians >>>>>>>>>>>>> would also >>>>>>>>>>>>> oppose such a religious test, especially because many are eager >>>>>>>>>>>>> to share >>>>>>>>>>>>> their faith with new arrivals. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The United States so far has admitted roughly 2,100 Syrians >>>>>>>>>>>>> since the conflict in the country began in March 2011. To be >>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed in, >>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees have to undergo the most stringent security checks of >>>>>>>>>>>>> any traveler >>>>>>>>>>>>> heading to the United States, according to the State Department. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Officials >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Obama administration on Tuesday began reaching out to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the media >>>>>>>>>>>>> and lawmakers in a bid to explain the screening process, which >>>>>>>>>>>>> takes an >>>>>>>>>>>>> average of 18-24 months. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, faith-based groups have also stepped up their >>>>>>>>>>>>> advocacy efforts for refugees. The U.S. Conference of Catholic >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bishops >>>>>>>>>>>>> released a statement expressing distress over calls by elected >>>>>>>>>>>>> officials to >>>>>>>>>>>>> halt the resettlement program. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 151117_syrian_refugees_AP_1160.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> White House pushes back against GOP on refugees >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "These refugees are fleeing terror themselves — violence like >>>>>>>>>>>>> we have witnessed in Paris," said the statement by Bishop Eusebio >>>>>>>>>>>>> Elizondo, >>>>>>>>>>>>> chairman of the conference's committee on migration. "Instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>> using this >>>>>>>>>>>>> tragedy to scapegoat all refugees, I call upon our public >>>>>>>>>>>>> officials to work >>>>>>>>>>>>> together to end the Syrian conflict peacefully so the close to 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>> million >>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees can return to their country and rebuild their >>>>>>>>>>>>> homes. Until >>>>>>>>>>>>> that goal is achieved, we must work with the world community to >>>>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>>>> safe haven to vulnerable and deserving refugees who are simply >>>>>>>>>>>>> attempting >>>>>>>>>>>>> to survive." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the Paris attacks, World Relief has used a website to >>>>>>>>>>>>> urge people to contact their governors to express their support >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> resettling Syrians. The Anti-Defamation League also has spoken >>>>>>>>>>>>> out in favor >>>>>>>>>>>>> of helping the Syrian refugees, noting that U.S. wariness to >>>>>>>>>>>>> accept Jewish >>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees during World War II is an example that must not be >>>>>>>>>>>>> repeated. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive officer of the ADL >>>>>>>>>>>>> and a former Obama aide, stressed that much remains unknown about >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Paris >>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks, including the exact nature of the allegation that a >>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrian migrant >>>>>>>>>>>>> was one of the eight or nine attackers. Even if a terrorist posed >>>>>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>>>> migrant to reach France, it's less likely that the U.S., with >>>>>>>>>>>>> oceans to >>>>>>>>>>>>> protect it and a stricter screening process, faces the same level >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> dangers, other advocates said. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Republicans and Democrats have to tread very carefully here," >>>>>>>>>>>>> Greenblatt said. "Faith-based voters are very attentive to these >>>>>>>>>>>>> issues. >>>>>>>>>>>>> They’re very sensitive to helping those in need." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Joanne Kelsey, assistant director for advocacy with Lutheran >>>>>>>>>>>>> Immigration and Refugee Service, said she hoped that the sound >>>>>>>>>>>>> and fury >>>>>>>>>>>>> over refugees would soon be replaced with reason as Republican >>>>>>>>>>>>> lawmakers >>>>>>>>>>>>> and officials get more details about how the refugee program >>>>>>>>>>>>> works. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is a very reactionary time," she said. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>>>> For options & help see >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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