I personally stopped going to Church more than 30 years ago, I was raised Roman Catholic, I don't practice anymore ... I got it right!!! --- a reformed catholic.
On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 6:54:22 AM UTC-6, brine wrote: > > 70.6 is less than 75% (which I believe is 3/4) but the trend has been away > from organized religion as a hole, it wont be long before it's below 50%. > > I personally stopped going to Church more than 30 years ago, I was raised > Roman Catholic, I don't practice anymore ... I got it right!!! > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> (The poll is by Gallop, and they're not too different than Pew....The >> bottom line, is that more than three quarters of this Nation identify with >> being Christian, and that is fact.....) >> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> I'd trust Pew before a bunch of cowgirls in Houston. >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 12:23:52 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Poll-Nearly-80-percent-of-Americans-say-they-are-2444092.php >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation >>>>> --- >>>>> delusion noted. >>>>> >>>>> The number of Americans who identify as Christian has fallen nearly >>>>> eight percentage points in only seven years, according to a new survey. >>>>> Pew >>>>> Research Center found that *71%* of Americans identified as Christian >>>>> in 2014 - down from *78%* in 2007. >>>>> >>>>> and of those 71%, only a small fraction are zionists ... sorta like >>>>> the small percentage of muzzies who are radical killiers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/United.Syrian.Republic/videos/1730600583840768/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:13:59 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No doubt, there are some agencies who are Christian based, who are >>>>>> advocating for the refugee program to continue. Thankfully, the >>>>>> majority >>>>>> of Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation, are opposed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I do know that most Christians are opposed to the resettlement of >>>>>>> Syrian Refugees in the United States >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a >>>>>>> core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most >>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI <http://www.politico.com/staff/nahal-toosi> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 11/17/15 06:24 PM EST >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updated 11/18/15 08:43 PM EST >>>>>>> [image: Republican presidential candidate, former Arkansas Gov. Mike >>>>>>> Huckabee speaks at executive committee luncheon during the California >>>>>>> GOP >>>>>>> fall convention on Friday, Sept. 18, 2015 in Anaheim, Calif. (AP >>>>>>> Photo/Chris Carlson)] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike Huckabee along with other politicians, have worked to gain >>>>>>> evangelical support, but may be threatening that by taking a stance >>>>>>> against >>>>>>> Syrian refugees. | AP Photo >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to >>>>>>>>>> the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of anti-refugee >>>>>>>>>> fervor >>>>>>>>>> set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to >>>>>>>>>> contact >>>>>>>>>> elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a >>>>>>>>>> core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most >>>>>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian >>>>>>>>>> refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our >>>>>>>>>> constituencies, >>>>>>>>>> which are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny Yang, >>>>>>>>>> vice >>>>>>>>>> president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical organization >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we >>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>> continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... >>>>>>>>>> doesn’t >>>>>>>>>> reflect who refugees are." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Reports that a Syrian migrant may have played a role in last >>>>>>>>>> week's attacks in Paris, which killed around 130 people, have set >>>>>>>>>> off a >>>>>>>>>> GOP-led backlash over the Obama administration's plans to admit >>>>>>>>>> 10,000 >>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees next year. More than half of U.S. governors have >>>>>>>>>> said they >>>>>>>>>> do not want Syrian refugees resettled in their states, while House >>>>>>>>>> Speaker >>>>>>>>>> Paul Ryan says he wants a vote this week on GOP-drafted legislation >>>>>>>>>> to halt >>>>>>>>>> the administration's plans. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> World Relief is one of nine not-for-profit organizations, several >>>>>>>>>> of them faith-based, that help resettle up to 70,000 refugees from >>>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>>> the world in the United States each year. Others include the U.S. >>>>>>>>>> Conference of Catholic Bishops, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee >>>>>>>>>> Service, >>>>>>>>>> and the Church World Service. Many other faith-based groups, >>>>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>>>> evangelical Christian organizations, also perform aid work overseas >>>>>>>>>> specifically aimed at refugees fleeing conflicts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 151117_Paul_Ryan_AP_1160.jpg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> House likely to vote Thursday on Syrian refugee bill >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By JAKE SHERMAN >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For Republican presidential contenders such as former Arkansas >>>>>>>>>> Gov. Mike Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who have been working >>>>>>>>>> hard at >>>>>>>>>> shoring up evangelical support in a crowded field, harsh words >>>>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>>>> refugees carries a risk of looking politically opportunistic instead >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> compassionate. Some advocates were particularly shocked when >>>>>>>>>> Republican >>>>>>>>>> presidential candidate Chris Christie, New Jersey's governor, said >>>>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>>>> U.S. should bar Syrian orphaned toddlers if necessary. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "That was offensive. That was mean-spirited," said one advocate >>>>>>>>>> with a Christian group that resettles refugees. He added: "it’s >>>>>>>>>> disappointing because there have been Republican senators and >>>>>>>>>> presidents >>>>>>>>>> who have strongly supported this program over the years. There’s a >>>>>>>>>> proud >>>>>>>>>> tradition in the Republican Party of welcoming those who are fleeing >>>>>>>>>> persecution, and this takes the party in a negative direction. It’s >>>>>>>>>> easy to >>>>>>>>>> pick on vulnerable refugees who have no voice. But there are >>>>>>>>>> immigrant >>>>>>>>>> groups who have voting power that understand what is going on. They >>>>>>>>>> understand that it’s an anti-immigrant message." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even though many on the Christian right have reservations about >>>>>>>>>> immigration overall, and may in particular be unhappy about people >>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>> illegally enter the United States, there's long been a recognition >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> refugees fall under a different category. The 11 million Syrians who >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> either fled the Arab country or are displaced within it are dodging >>>>>>>>>> terrorist groups such as the Islamic State or the barrel bombs of >>>>>>>>>> Syrian >>>>>>>>>> President Bashar Assad. Many are elderly, widowed or in need of >>>>>>>>>> medical >>>>>>>>>> care. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some Republican candidates have suggested that only Syrians who >>>>>>>>>> are Christian be allowed on U.S. soil, something President Barack >>>>>>>>>> Obama has >>>>>>>>>> blasted as shameful. Yang said many evangelical Christians would >>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>> oppose such a religious test, especially because many are eager to >>>>>>>>>> share >>>>>>>>>> their faith with new arrivals. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The United States so far has admitted roughly 2,100 Syrians since >>>>>>>>>> the conflict in the country began in March 2011. To be allowed in, >>>>>>>>>> refugees >>>>>>>>>> have to undergo the most stringent security checks of any traveler >>>>>>>>>> heading >>>>>>>>>> to the United States, according to the State Department. Officials >>>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>>> Obama administration on Tuesday began reaching out to the media and >>>>>>>>>> lawmakers in a bid to explain the screening process, which takes an >>>>>>>>>> average >>>>>>>>>> of 18-24 months. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, faith-based groups have also stepped up their advocacy >>>>>>>>>> efforts for refugees. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops >>>>>>>>>> released a >>>>>>>>>> statement expressing distress over calls by elected officials to >>>>>>>>>> halt the >>>>>>>>>> resettlement program. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 151117_syrian_refugees_AP_1160.jpg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> White House pushes back against GOP on refugees >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "These refugees are fleeing terror themselves — violence like we >>>>>>>>>> have witnessed in Paris," said the statement by Bishop Eusebio >>>>>>>>>> Elizondo, >>>>>>>>>> chairman of the conference's committee on migration. "Instead of >>>>>>>>>> using this >>>>>>>>>> tragedy to scapegoat all refugees, I call upon our public officials >>>>>>>>>> to work >>>>>>>>>> together to end the Syrian conflict peacefully so the close to 4 >>>>>>>>>> million >>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees can return to their country and rebuild their homes. >>>>>>>>>> Until >>>>>>>>>> that goal is achieved, we must work with the world community to >>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>> safe haven to vulnerable and deserving refugees who are simply >>>>>>>>>> attempting >>>>>>>>>> to survive." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since the Paris attacks, World Relief has used a website to urge >>>>>>>>>> people to contact their governors to express their support for >>>>>>>>>> resettling >>>>>>>>>> Syrians. The Anti-Defamation League also has spoken out in favor of >>>>>>>>>> helping >>>>>>>>>> the Syrian refugees, noting that U.S. wariness to accept Jewish >>>>>>>>>> refugees >>>>>>>>>> during World War II is an example that must not be repeated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive officer of the ADL and a >>>>>>>>>> former Obama aide, stressed that much remains unknown about the >>>>>>>>>> Paris >>>>>>>>>> attacks, including the exact nature of the allegation that a Syrian >>>>>>>>>> migrant >>>>>>>>>> was one of the eight or nine attackers. Even if a terrorist posed as >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> migrant to reach France, it's less likely that the U.S., with oceans >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> protect it and a stricter screening process, faces the same level of >>>>>>>>>> dangers, other advocates said. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Republicans and Democrats have to tread very carefully here," >>>>>>>>>> Greenblatt said. "Faith-based voters are very attentive to these >>>>>>>>>> issues. >>>>>>>>>> They’re very sensitive to helping those in need." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Joanne Kelsey, assistant director for advocacy with Lutheran >>>>>>>>>> Immigration and Refugee Service, said she hoped that the sound and >>>>>>>>>> fury >>>>>>>>>> over refugees would soon be replaced with reason as Republican >>>>>>>>>> lawmakers >>>>>>>>>> and officials get more details about how the refugee program works. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "This is a very reactionary time," she said. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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