>From the LINK I provided you, again, your ignorance notwithstanding...
Please note, this is from the RULING by the Courts, something a Lawyer is supposed to know a little about. http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=87147 At the time of Senator McCain’s birth, the pertinent citizenship provision prescribed that “[a]ny child hereafter born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such child is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.” Act of May 24, 1934, Pub. L. No. 73-250, 48 Stat. 797. The Supreme Court has interpreted the phrase “out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States” in this statute to be the converse of the phrase “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the Fourteenth Amendment, and therefore to encompass all those not granted citizenship directly by the Fourteenth Amendment. [Footnote: United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 687 (1898) (“The words ‘in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,’ in the first sentence of the fourteenth amendment of the constitution, must be presumed to have been understood and intended by the Congress which proposed the amendment … [as] the converse of the words ‘out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States,’ as habitually used in the naturalization acts.”)] On Nov 3, 1:03 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The founding fathers did nothing in this regard except use the phrase > "natural born". > > So, indeed the founding fathers left it open to legislate. Whether by design > or accident is of no consequence as it (what the founding fathers did or did > not do) can not be changed. > > Immigration law does the rest. The law in effect at the time of ones birth > is the deciding factor. > > I have not said that i agree with this just that it is indeed so. > > Your inability to deal with it notwithstanding. > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > And I believe McCain is in FACT eligible under the Constitution, the > > Laws you cite notwithstanding. > > > And herein we will find your "true" support of the Constitution. > > > The question here becomes: Do you believe our Founding Fathers would > > have made a Son of a Military Leader ineligible to become President, > > simply because his Father was Serving abroad? > > > And do you also believe that our Founding Fathers would have wanted a > > child to be "natural Born" who was Born to an 18 year old American > > that had Married a Foreign National and moved to the Foreign Nation to > > have said Child, who would also have the Citizenship of that Foreign > > Nation? > > > On Nov 3, 12:32 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > McCain, short of the senate resolution that was passed (which, if you > > read > > > the appendices covers Obamas birth as well) is no more eligible under the > > > law that was in force at the time of his birth. > > > > As to my support of the constitution you are the one that thinks the > > senate > > > resolution is the same as a constitutional clause when dealing with > > McCain. > > > > I believe them BOTH ineligible under the laws at the times of their > > births. > > > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Again... > > > > > I will be Voting for the Man that has PROVEN his eligibility. > > > > > Not the one doing evverything he can not to. > > > > > You, not so much. > > > > > So much for your support of the Constitution. > > > > > On Nov 3, 12:08 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 2, 4:32 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > obviously those records are not necessary... > > > > > > Your words, not mine. > > > > > > If you believe the Constitution has the force of Law, how can you say > > > > > such a thing? > > > > -- > > > Mark M. Kahle > > > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me- > > Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > Mark M. Kahle > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me- Hide > quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
