Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel. As a matter of fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge Israel. It was the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the creation of Israel. --- your ignorance of history astounds me.
The agreement, which occurred when it appeared that Germany was winning WW I, was that Zionists would work to get the United States involved in the war if Britain would deliver Palestine as a Jewish homeland. The reason for the American involvement in the war and the American contribution to the arrangement have not been widely understood: the Balfour Declaration (as well as the later British Mandate) were drafted in both Britain and the US, including by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. Germany had no inkling of this deal until the post-war 1919 Paris Peace Conference, which Zionists attended to ensure that Britain would come through with its part of the agreement. Even before Britain washed its hands of Palestine, Zionists recognized that they needed the support of the United States for Israel to survive and thrive, so the U.S. became the focus of propaganda and political pressure. Harry Truman, the US President who recognized the State of Israel immediately after it declared itself a state, had received a then-staggering $2 million from a Zionist donor during what had appeared to be a losing presidential campaign. State Department leaders were against supporting Israel because it damaged U.S. relations with Arab countries and, more importantly, violated important American principles of self-determination and justice. Elected leaders, vulnerable to political pressure and access to campaign funding, were not able to maintain such America-first integrity. Weir documented various little-known Zionist efforts to support the creation of their state. The activities — basically bribes, lies, subterfuge, threats and violence– included: - Zionist leaders’ “mixed reaction” to Nazism, with some seeing that the convergent goals would benefit a Jewish state that required a Jewish population; - Secret American Zionist clubs (including the elite Parushim with Felix Frankfurter) which pledged to work for Israel behind the scenes; - Creating the myth that a refuge was needed for Jews (including falsifying anti-Semitism in Germany and Poland and, more importantly, sabotaging western countries’ efforts to open their doors to Jewish refugees after WW II in order to ensure that Jews had few choices of refuge outside of Israel); and - Zionists’ role in the creation of Christian Zionism and the Scofield Reference Bible. Weir ends her short history of Israel’s creation by documenting some key examples of how Israel-firsters were able to destroy the careers — if not the lives — of prominent Americans in government, journalism and academia who warned of the loss of American credibility in supporting a state that was based on religious discrimination. Weir keeps her book focused on the early history of Israel, ignoring highly significant later events, particularly those concerning Senator William Fulbright: his uncovering of Jewish charity fraud that recycled charitable donations into US propaganda, his attempts, with JFK, to force the main Zionist organization to register as an agent of a foreign government and the loss of Fulbright’s Senate seat to the then-unheard of Dale Bumpers. The main messages from Weir’s history are that the Jewish community has not legitimately needed a homeland- refuge from anti-Semitism and that Americans must take back their country by insisting that their elected officials place the interests of the United States before those of Israel. A couple of points: 1. Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel. --- true ... Israel was hijacked by zionist terrorists. 2. I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab; and Israel should be condemned by the UN, (which they are and have been). Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed. Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians accept the fact that there is, and always will be an Israel, --- speculation noted. and while Palestinians continue to perpetrate terroristic acts against Israel, it's hard for the UN, or any one individual to muster any support for them. --- you obviously won't recognize israel's terrorism of the palestinians ... so discussing this issue with you is fruitless. On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:09:34 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel. As a matter of > fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge Israel. It was > the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the creation of Israel. > > > A couple of points: > > 1. Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel. > > 2. I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab; and > Israel should be condemned by the UN, (which they are and have been). > Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed. > Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians accept the > fact that there is, and always will be an Israel, and while Palestinians > continue to perpetrate terroristic acts against Israel, it's hard for the > UN, or any one individual to muster any support for them. > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:15 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an ideology >> similar in scope to Islam. >> It's just not. >> --- >> if you can't see the genocide and land theft that zionists are committing >> with extorted US weapons and tax dollars then I can't help you. >> go ahead and buddy up with the zionists and be something other than >> American. >> >> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> Because your premise is flawed, and you apparently are the only one >>> individual in the world who sees "Zionism"; e.g.; the desire to move to a >>> Jewish Homeland, as violent. Nothing could be further from the truth. >>> >>> Are there repercussions from Zionism? Admittedly yes. But as you love >>> to sling around, "Not An American Concern". >>> >>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an ideology >>> similar in scope to Islam. >>> >>> It's just not. Ridiculous. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct. That Judaism >>>> is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam. I vehemently disagree with >>>> that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not at all >>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an ideology as >>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful. >>>> >>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews blown up >>>> this week? This past year? Over the last fifteen years? >>>> --- >>>> I'm not comparing judaism to isalm. I'm comparing zionism to islam ... >>>> the same way I would compare zionist xianity to both islam and judaic >>>> zionism. >>>> They're the most violent, warmongering people on the planet and the >>>> enemy of the USA. >>>> >>>> and just because you don't see their bigotry and 'interventionism' as >>>> terrorism doesn't mean it's not. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:27:25 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good Morning Plain Ol'! >>>>> >>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct. That Judaism >>>>> is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam. I vehemently disagree with >>>>> that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not at all >>>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an ideology >>>>> as >>>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful. >>>>> >>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews blown >>>>> up this week? This past year? Over the last fifteen years? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> law enforcement should arrest them all for being traitors/enemies of >>>>>> the state!!! >>>>>> --- >>>>>> they should also arrest these traitors/enemies of the state >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 5:59:07 PM UTC-6, brine wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Honestly I see nothing but material/flags but can not identify them >>>>>>> from the photo ... if they are in fact ISIS fags, law enforcement >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> arrest them all for being traitors/enemies of the state!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>> For options & help see >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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