UN member states USA - Date of de facto recognition: 14 May 1948 On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 1:25:59 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > The United States acknowledged Israel on 1 February 1949. Russia, on the > other hand, acknowledged Israel on 17 May 1948: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:03 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel. As a matter of >> fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge Israel. It was >> the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the creation of Israel. >> --- >> your ignorance of history astounds me. >> >> The agreement, which occurred when it appeared that Germany was winning >> WW I, was that Zionists would work to get the United States involved in the >> war if Britain would deliver Palestine as a Jewish homeland. The reason >> for the American involvement in the war and the American contribution to >> the arrangement have not been widely understood: the Balfour Declaration >> (as well as the later British Mandate) were drafted in both Britain and the >> US, including by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. >> >> Germany had no inkling of this deal until the post-war 1919 Paris Peace >> Conference, which Zionists attended to ensure that Britain would come >> through with its part of the agreement. >> >> Even before Britain washed its hands of Palestine, Zionists recognized >> that they needed the support of the United States for Israel to survive and >> thrive, so the U.S. became the focus of propaganda and political pressure. >> Harry Truman, the US President who recognized the State of Israel >> immediately after it declared itself a state, had received a >> then-staggering $2 million from a Zionist donor during what had appeared to >> be a losing presidential campaign. State Department leaders were against >> supporting Israel because it damaged U.S. relations with Arab countries >> and, more importantly, violated important American principles of >> self-determination and justice. Elected leaders, vulnerable to political >> pressure and access to campaign funding, were not able to maintain such >> America-first integrity. >> >> Weir documented various little-known Zionist efforts to support the >> creation of their state. The activities — basically bribes, lies, >> subterfuge, threats and violence– included: >> >> - Zionist leaders’ “mixed reaction” to Nazism, with some seeing that >> the convergent goals would benefit a Jewish state that required a Jewish >> population; >> >> >> - Secret American Zionist clubs (including the elite Parushim with >> Felix Frankfurter) which pledged to work for Israel behind the scenes; >> >> >> - Creating the myth that a refuge was needed for Jews (including >> falsifying anti-Semitism in Germany and Poland and, more importantly, >> sabotaging western countries’ efforts to open their doors to Jewish >> refugees after WW II in order to ensure that Jews had few choices of >> refuge >> outside of Israel); and >> >> >> - Zionists’ role in the creation of Christian Zionism and the >> Scofield Reference Bible. >> >> Weir ends her short history of Israel’s creation by documenting some key >> examples of how Israel-firsters were able to destroy the careers — if not >> the lives — of prominent Americans in government, journalism and academia >> who warned of the loss of American credibility in supporting a state that >> was based on religious discrimination. >> >> Weir keeps her book focused on the early history of Israel, ignoring >> highly significant later events, particularly those concerning Senator >> William Fulbright: his uncovering of Jewish charity fraud that recycled >> charitable donations into US propaganda, his attempts, with JFK, to force >> the main Zionist organization to register as an agent of a foreign >> government and the loss of Fulbright’s Senate seat to the then-unheard of >> Dale Bumpers. >> >> The main messages from Weir’s history are that the Jewish community has >> not legitimately needed a homeland- refuge from anti-Semitism and that >> Americans must take back their country by insisting that their elected >> officials place the interests of the United States before those of Israel. >> >> >> A couple of points: >> >> 1. Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel. >> --- >> true ... Israel was hijacked by zionist terrorists. >> >> 2. I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab; and >> Israel should be condemned by the UN, (which they are and have been). >> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed. >> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians accept the >> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel, >> --- >> speculation noted. >> >> and while Palestinians continue to perpetrate terroristic acts against >> Israel, it's hard for the UN, or any one individual to muster any support >> for them. >> --- >> you obviously won't recognize israel's terrorism of the palestinians ... >> so discussing this issue with you is fruitless. >> >> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:09:34 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel. As a matter of >>> fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge Israel. It was >>> the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the creation of Israel. >>> >>> >>> A couple of points: >>> >>> 1. Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel. >>> >>> 2. I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab; and >>> Israel should be condemned by the UN, (which they are and have been). >>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed. >>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians accept the >>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel, and while Palestinians >>> continue to perpetrate terroristic acts against Israel, it's hard for the >>> UN, or any one individual to muster any support for them. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:15 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an ideology >>>> similar in scope to Islam. >>>> It's just not. >>>> --- >>>> if you can't see the genocide and land theft that zionists are >>>> committing with extorted US weapons and tax dollars then I can't help you. >>>> go ahead and buddy up with the zionists and be something other than >>>> American. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Because your premise is flawed, and you apparently are the only one >>>>> individual in the world who sees "Zionism"; e.g.; the desire to move to >>>>> a >>>>> Jewish Homeland, as violent. Nothing could be further from the truth. >>>>> >>>>> Are there repercussions from Zionism? Admittedly yes. But as you >>>>> love to sling around, "Not An American Concern". >>>>> >>>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an ideology >>>>> similar in scope to Islam. >>>>> >>>>> It's just not. Ridiculous. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct. That >>>>>> Judaism is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam. I vehemently >>>>>> disagree >>>>>> with that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not at >>>>>> all >>>>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an ideology >>>>>> as >>>>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful. >>>>>> >>>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews blown >>>>>> up this week? This past year? Over the last fifteen years? >>>>>> --- >>>>>> I'm not comparing judaism to isalm. I'm comparing zionism to islam >>>>>> ... the same way I would compare zionist xianity to both islam and >>>>>> judaic >>>>>> zionism. >>>>>> They're the most violent, warmongering people on the planet and the >>>>>> enemy of the USA. >>>>>> >>>>>> and just because you don't see their bigotry and 'interventionism' as >>>>>> terrorism doesn't mean it's not. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:27:25 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good Morning Plain Ol'! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct. That >>>>>>> Judaism is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam. I vehemently >>>>>>> disagree >>>>>>> with that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not at >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an ideology >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews blown >>>>>>> up this week? This past year? Over the last fifteen years? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> law enforcement should arrest them all for being traitors/enemies >>>>>>>> of the state!!! >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> they should also arrest these traitors/enemies of the state >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 5:59:07 PM UTC-6, brine wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Honestly I see nothing but material/flags but can not identify >>>>>>>>> them from the photo ... if they are in fact ISIS fags, law >>>>>>>>> enforcement >>>>>>>>> should arrest them all for being traitors/enemies of the state!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Keith In Tampa < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>>>> For options & help see >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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