Kind of like saying: *"There's chapters of the Ku-Klux-Klan which are benevolent loving organizations; and we shouldn't label the KKK as a hate group"...*
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Pittalum <[email protected]> wrote: > In general, I am of the opinion that it is important that when designating > the bad guys, to not haphazardly include a whole lotta not bad guys. I > think it's a very bad idea to do so... > > That's not really so hard to understand, is it? > > "Today, only a handful of countries designate the Brotherhood a terrorist > organization tout court, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Russia, and > Syria. Many more countries designate local chapters of the Brotherhood > terrorist organizations when they engage in terrorism, as has been the case > with Hamas. > > We would never argue that designating a Brotherhood segment is > inappropriate. Far from it. If the U.S. government obtains credible > evidence that the Egyptian Brotherhood organization, for example, is > ordering its members to engage in terrorism, then it should be designated a > foreign terrorist organization. But that designation should be confined to > the chapter engaging in violence and not extended to the other Brotherhood > entities elsewhere in the world that might have nothing to do with > terrorism." > > https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/01/30/should- > the-muslim-brotherhood-be-designated-a-terrorist-organization/ > > > On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:30:57 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> I'm baffled by posts like this Pittalum. >> >> Your belief that the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't support violence is >> unique to say the least. The Muslim Brotherhood has many individuals who >> are labeled terrorists in place; the Muslim Brotherhood has long supported >> ISIS, and although their methods may differ somewhat from ISIS, the Muslim >> Brotherhood's goal is one in the same with ISIS, which is to achieve and >> reach Dar-al-Islam; an Islamic worldwide caliphate. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Pittalum <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> "The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928 and sought to >>> instill Islamic values into everyday life. It later evolved into a popular >>> social and political organization and became Egypt’s leading opposition >>> party. It has since inspired similar movements in countries such as >>> Indonesia, Turkey, Jordan and Morocco. The Brotherhood disavowed >>> violence >>> <http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/world/africa/egypt-muslim-brotherhood-explainer/> >>> long >>> ago, and noted scholars have emphasized >>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-l-esposito/the-muslim-brotherhood-te_b_9329246.html> >>> that >>> it has fostered democratization and moderation in the Middle East. Two >>> previous U.S. administrations concluded that it does not engage in >>> terrorism, as did a recent report >>> <https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/118/118.pdf> >>> by >>> the British government." >>> >>> Yet if the group is designated as a terrorist organization, a growing $57 >>> million Islamophobia machine <https://islamophobianetwork.com/>, backed >>> by large funders, well-organized institutions and junk scientists, will be >>> ready to lead an effort to link the Muslim Brotherhood to groups here. This >>> industry demonizes Islam through fake news, ersatz reports and hateful >>> rhetoric; fearmongers and peddles falsehoods about Sharia law; and >>> encourages lawmakers across the country to criminalize Muslim and >>> Arab communities through bans, registries, watch lists and the like. They >>> have helped introduce >>> <https://islamophobianetwork.com/consequences#mapping-anti-sharia-legislation> >>> more >>> than 100 anti-Sharia bills in state legislatures and encouraged and >>> trained law enforcement >>> <https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/reports/2015/02/11/106394/fear-inc-2-0/> >>> to >>> see Islam as a religion of violence." >>> >>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/08/ >>> calling-the-muslim-brotherhood-a-terrorist-group-would-hurt- >>> all-american-muslims/?utm_term=.c5a651f30c60 >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 2:44:33 AM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe you are the one who needs to get out more >>>> >>>> >>>> Egypt declares Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group >>>> Announcement criminalises all activities, financing for and membership >>>> of group from which ousted President Morsi hailed >>>> This article is *3 years old* >>>> Shares >>>> 595 >>>> >>>> Associated Press in Cairo >>>> >>>> Wednesday 25 December 2013 12.22 EST >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/25/egypt-declares >>>> -muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 8:15:48 PM UTC-6, Pittalum wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You fellows should really try to get out more... >>>>> >>>>> "Like issuing a blanket ban on allowing in nationals from seven >>>>> predominantly Muslim countries, designating the Muslim Brotherhood does >>>>> nothing to thwart terrorism and imposes unnecessary burdens on large >>>>> numbers of people mainly to satisfy a clutch of fanatics here at home. >>>>> Worse, wrongly designating nonviolent groups as part of a terrorist >>>>> organization feeds into jihadist propaganda and potentially encourages >>>>> political violence. The administration’s main “counter-terrorism” >>>>> initiatives so far have nothing to do with countering terrorism and >>>>> everything to do with indulging excessive fear of people that do not pose >>>>> a >>>>> threat to the U.S." >>>>> >>>>> http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-cost-of-d >>>>> esignating-the-muslim-brotherhood-as-terrorists/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 6:41:25 PM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If they elect him, there won't be a democratic party in the forever. >>>>>> I hope they do elect him. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 5:03:07 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [[ If they elect him they will forever be known as the >>>>>>> Democrap-Muzzieshit-Traitor Party. ]] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. 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