Oh I typed a post before reading all posts. Excuse me but we do see Pitt's argument exactly the same.
On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57:39 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Kind of like saying: > > *"There's chapters of the Ku-Klux-Klan which are benevolent loving > organizations; and we shouldn't label the KKK as a hate group"...* > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Pittalum <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> In general, I am of the opinion that it is important that when >> designating the bad guys, to not haphazardly include a whole lotta not bad >> guys. I think it's a very bad idea to do so... >> >> That's not really so hard to understand, is it? >> >> "Today, only a handful of countries designate the Brotherhood a >> terrorist organization tout court, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, >> Russia, and Syria. Many more countries designate local chapters of the >> Brotherhood terrorist organizations when they engage in terrorism, as has >> been the case with Hamas. >> >> We would never argue that designating a Brotherhood segment is >> inappropriate. Far from it. If the U.S. government obtains credible >> evidence that the Egyptian Brotherhood organization, for example, is >> ordering its members to engage in terrorism, then it should be designated a >> foreign terrorist organization. But that designation should be confined to >> the chapter engaging in violence and not extended to the other Brotherhood >> entities elsewhere in the world that might have nothing to do with >> terrorism." >> >> >> https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/01/30/should-the-muslim-brotherhood-be-designated-a-terrorist-organization/ >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:30:57 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> I'm baffled by posts like this Pittalum. >>> >>> Your belief that the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't support violence is >>> unique to say the least. The Muslim Brotherhood has many individuals who >>> are labeled terrorists in place; the Muslim Brotherhood has long supported >>> ISIS, and although their methods may differ somewhat from ISIS, the Muslim >>> Brotherhood's goal is one in the same with ISIS, which is to achieve and >>> reach Dar-al-Islam; an Islamic worldwide caliphate. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Pittalum <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> "The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928 and sought to >>>> instill Islamic values into everyday life. It later evolved into a popular >>>> social and political organization and became Egypt’s leading opposition >>>> party. It has since inspired similar movements in countries such as >>>> Indonesia, Turkey, Jordan and Morocco. The Brotherhood disavowed >>>> violence >>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/world/africa/egypt-muslim-brotherhood-explainer/> >>>> long >>>> ago, and noted scholars have emphasized >>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-l-esposito/the-muslim-brotherhood-te_b_9329246.html> >>>> that >>>> it has fostered democratization and moderation in the Middle East. Two >>>> previous U.S. administrations concluded that it does not engage in >>>> terrorism, as did a recent report >>>> <https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/118/118.pdf> >>>> by >>>> the British government." >>>> >>>> Yet if the group is designated as a terrorist organization, a growing $57 >>>> million Islamophobia machine <https://islamophobianetwork.com/>, >>>> backed by large funders, well-organized institutions and junk scientists, >>>> will be ready to lead an effort to link the Muslim Brotherhood to groups >>>> here. This industry demonizes Islam through fake news, ersatz reports and >>>> hateful rhetoric; fearmongers and peddles falsehoods about Sharia law; and >>>> encourages lawmakers across the country to criminalize Muslim and >>>> Arab communities through bans, registries, watch lists and the like. They >>>> have helped introduce >>>> <https://islamophobianetwork.com/consequences#mapping-anti-sharia-legislation> >>>> more >>>> than 100 anti-Sharia bills in state legislatures and encouraged and >>>> trained law enforcement >>>> <https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/reports/2015/02/11/106394/fear-inc-2-0/> >>>> to >>>> see Islam as a religion of violence." >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/08/calling-the-muslim-brotherhood-a-terrorist-group-would-hurt-all-american-muslims/?utm_term=.c5a651f30c60 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 2:44:33 AM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maybe you are the one who needs to get out more >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Egypt declares Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group >>>>> Announcement criminalises all activities, financing for and membership >>>>> of group from which ousted President Morsi hailed >>>>> This article is *3 years old* >>>>> Shares >>>>> 595 >>>>> >>>>> Associated Press in Cairo >>>>> >>>>> Wednesday 25 December 2013 12.22 EST >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/25/egypt-declares-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 8:15:48 PM UTC-6, Pittalum wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You fellows should really try to get out more... >>>>>> >>>>>> "Like issuing a blanket ban on allowing in nationals from seven >>>>>> predominantly Muslim countries, designating the Muslim Brotherhood does >>>>>> nothing to thwart terrorism and imposes unnecessary burdens on large >>>>>> numbers of people mainly to satisfy a clutch of fanatics here at home. >>>>>> Worse, wrongly designating nonviolent groups as part of a terrorist >>>>>> organization feeds into jihadist propaganda and potentially encourages >>>>>> political violence. The administration’s main “counter-terrorism” >>>>>> initiatives so far have nothing to do with countering terrorism and >>>>>> everything to do with indulging excessive fear of people that do not >>>>>> pose a >>>>>> threat to the U.S." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-cost-of-designating-the-muslim-brotherhood-as-terrorists/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 6:41:25 PM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If they elect him, there won't be a democratic party in the >>>>>>> forever. I hope they do elect him. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 5:03:07 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [[ If they elect him they will forever be known as the >>>>>>>> Democrap-Muzzieshit-Traitor Party. ]] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> * It's active and moderated. 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