So, then you are in agreement that we should designate the entire, sprawling organization of the* Muslim Brotherhood* as a terrorist organization. Do you even know what that means, or the implications - or do you understand how far flung that *organization* is?
Does that mean you will then be Ok with, say, prosecuting Kareem Abdul Jabbar, or Janet Jackson, or Shaquille O'Neill, or Cat Stevens (again) for providing material support to terrorist organizations when they give money to muslim charities that could easily be connected in some way to that very old and very common organization? One of the things I find most irritating about conservatives is how often they so easily jump to some rash conclusion or snap judgement with little consideration to what will follow. Did either of you read either of the articles I linked to above? On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 10:36:44 AM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: > > Yes we do!! Good morning to you too Keith. > > > On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 9:33:04 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> Good Morning BDT! >> >> *"Great Minds~~Think Alike!"* >> >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:30 AM, btdt100 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Oh I typed a post before reading all posts. Excuse me but we do see >>> Pitt's argument exactly the same. >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57:39 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> Kind of like saying: >>>> >>>> *"There's chapters of the Ku-Klux-Klan which are benevolent loving >>>> organizations; and we shouldn't label the KKK as a hate group"...* >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Pittalum <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In general, I am of the opinion that it is important that when >>>>> designating the bad guys, to not haphazardly include a whole lotta not >>>>> bad >>>>> guys. I think it's a very bad idea to do so... >>>>> >>>>> That's not really so hard to understand, is it? >>>>> >>>>> "Today, only a handful of countries designate the Brotherhood a >>>>> terrorist organization tout court, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, >>>>> Russia, and Syria. Many more countries designate local chapters of the >>>>> Brotherhood terrorist organizations when they engage in terrorism, as has >>>>> been the case with Hamas. >>>>> >>>>> We would never argue that designating a Brotherhood segment is >>>>> inappropriate. Far from it. If the U.S. government obtains credible >>>>> evidence that the Egyptian Brotherhood organization, for example, is >>>>> ordering its members to engage in terrorism, then it should be designated >>>>> a >>>>> foreign terrorist organization. But that designation should be confined >>>>> to >>>>> the chapter engaging in violence and not extended to the other >>>>> Brotherhood >>>>> entities elsewhere in the world that might have nothing to do with >>>>> terrorism." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/01/30/should-the-muslim-brotherhood-be-designated-a-terrorist-organization/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:30:57 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm baffled by posts like this Pittalum. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your belief that the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't support violence is >>>>>> unique to say the least. The Muslim Brotherhood has many individuals >>>>>> who >>>>>> are labeled terrorists in place; the Muslim Brotherhood has long >>>>>> supported >>>>>> ISIS, and although their methods may differ somewhat from ISIS, the >>>>>> Muslim >>>>>> Brotherhood's goal is one in the same with ISIS, which is to achieve and >>>>>> reach Dar-al-Islam; an Islamic worldwide caliphate. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Pittalum <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928 and sought to >>>>>>> instill Islamic values into everyday life. It later evolved into a >>>>>>> popular >>>>>>> social and political organization and became Egypt’s leading opposition >>>>>>> party. It has since inspired similar movements in countries such as >>>>>>> Indonesia, Turkey, Jordan and Morocco. The Brotherhood disavowed >>>>>>> violence >>>>>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/world/africa/egypt-muslim-brotherhood-explainer/> >>>>>>> long >>>>>>> ago, and noted scholars have emphasized >>>>>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-l-esposito/the-muslim-brotherhood-te_b_9329246.html> >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> it has fostered democratization and moderation in the Middle East. Two >>>>>>> previous U.S. administrations concluded that it does not engage in >>>>>>> terrorism, as did a recent report >>>>>>> <https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/118/118.pdf> >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> the British government." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yet if the group is designated as a terrorist organization, a >>>>>>> growing $57 million Islamophobia machine >>>>>>> <https://islamophobianetwork.com/>, backed by large funders, >>>>>>> well-organized institutions and junk scientists, will be ready to lead >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> effort to link the Muslim Brotherhood to groups here. This industry >>>>>>> demonizes Islam through fake news, ersatz reports and hateful rhetoric; >>>>>>> fearmongers and peddles falsehoods about Sharia law; and encourages >>>>>>> lawmakers across the country to criminalize Muslim and Arab communities >>>>>>> through bans, registries, watch lists and the like. They have helped >>>>>>> introduce >>>>>>> <https://islamophobianetwork.com/consequences#mapping-anti-sharia-legislation> >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> than 100 anti-Sharia bills in state legislatures and encouraged and >>>>>>> trained law enforcement >>>>>>> <https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/reports/2015/02/11/106394/fear-inc-2-0/> >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> see Islam as a religion of violence." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/08/calling-the-muslim-brotherhood-a-terrorist-group-would-hurt-all-american-muslims/?utm_term=.c5a651f30c60 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 2:44:33 AM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe you are the one who needs to get out more >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Egypt declares Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group >>>>>>>> Announcement criminalises all activities, financing for and >>>>>>>> membership of group from which ousted President Morsi hailed >>>>>>>> This article is *3 years old* >>>>>>>> Shares >>>>>>>> 595 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Associated Press in Cairo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wednesday 25 December 2013 12.22 EST >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/25/egypt-declares-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 8:15:48 PM UTC-6, Pittalum wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You fellows should really try to get out more... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Like issuing a blanket ban on allowing in nationals from seven >>>>>>>>> predominantly Muslim countries, designating the Muslim Brotherhood >>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>> nothing to thwart terrorism and imposes unnecessary burdens on large >>>>>>>>> numbers of people mainly to satisfy a clutch of fanatics here at >>>>>>>>> home. >>>>>>>>> Worse, wrongly designating nonviolent groups as part of a terrorist >>>>>>>>> organization feeds into jihadist propaganda and potentially >>>>>>>>> encourages >>>>>>>>> political violence. The administration’s main “counter-terrorism” >>>>>>>>> initiatives so far have nothing to do with countering terrorism and >>>>>>>>> everything to do with indulging excessive fear of people that do not >>>>>>>>> pose a >>>>>>>>> threat to the U.S." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-cost-of-designating-the-muslim-brotherhood-as-terrorists/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 6:41:25 PM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If they elect him, there won't be a democratic party in the >>>>>>>>>> forever. I hope they do elect him. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 5:03:07 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [[ If they elect him they will forever be known as the >>>>>>>>>>> Democrap-Muzzieshit-Traitor Party. ]] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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