Good Afternoon Pittalum; I read one of the articles from this morning, and I will eventually suffer through this hate piece that you just posted; mainly out of curiosity.
You should attempt to expand your sources of news and information. Being caught up in the "Hate-Trump" camp isn't healthy nor is it allowing you to see what is actually transpiring. On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Pittalum <[email protected]> wrote: > I posted 2 articles on why it's not a good idea to designate MB as a > terrorist organization. Did you read either of them? > > Janet Jackson has converted to Islam. They, as far as I know, are required > by that religion to donate to other Muslim charities. Do you think the MB > doesn't run any charities? That is exactly how Cat Stevens got caught up in > all that stupidity years ago... > > If either of the 2 articles I previously linked aren't of interest to you, > maybe this one will be. I recommend reading it too before you continue on > this war with Islam path you cons are so intent upon travelling... > > "A realistic look at America’s recent past in the Greater Middle East and > a humbler perspective on its global role suggest two unsatisfying but vital > conclusions. First, false lessons and misbegotten collective assumptions > contributed to and created much of today’s regional mess. As a result, > it’s long past time to reassess recent history and challenge long-held > suppositions. Second, policymakers badly overestimated the efficacy of > American power, especially via the military, to shape foreign peoples and > cultures to their desires. In all of this, the agency of locals and the > inherent contingency of events were conveniently swept aside." > > http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176245/tomgram%3A_danny_ > sjursen%2C_mission_unaccomplished%2C_15_years_later/#more > > I can only show you to the door. You have to turn the damn knob... > > > On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 2:53:32 PM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >> >> Where are you getting your stuff? Janet Jackson is a member of the Muslim >> Brotherhood? I can't substantiate any of that stuff. Are you not aware >> that being a Muslim and being a member of the Brotherhood are not the same >> thing? The Muslim Brotherhood is not a 'very old and very common >> organization'. It was founded in the 1920's after the fall of the Ottoman >> Empire so to restore a caliphate like the Ottoman Empire. That is to say, >> the dissolution of all the secular governments and establishment of rule >> over ALL Muslims and their countries by a religious man, preferrably a >> descendant of Mohammed. And yea, making public laws according to God's law >> - Sharia. You know, one of those theocracies you liberals claim to oppose >> when it comes to Christians or Jews. Do you have a clue to what you are >> defending? >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-6, Pittalum wrote: >>> >>> So, then you are in agreement that we should designate the entire, >>> sprawling organization of the* Muslim Brotherhood* as a terrorist >>> organization. Do you even know what that means, or the implications - or do >>> you understand how far flung that *organization* is? >>> >>> Does that mean you will then be Ok with, say, prosecuting Kareem Abdul >>> Jabbar, or Janet Jackson, or Shaquille O'Neill, or Cat Stevens (again) for >>> providing material support to terrorist organizations when they give money >>> to muslim charities that could easily be connected in some way to that very >>> old and very common organization? >>> >>> One of the things I find most irritating about conservatives is how >>> often they so easily jump to some rash conclusion or snap judgement with >>> little consideration to what will follow. >>> >>> Did either of you read either of the articles I linked to above? >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 10:36:44 AM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes we do!! Good morning to you too Keith. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 9:33:04 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good Morning BDT! >>>>> >>>>> *"Great Minds~~Think Alike!"* >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:30 AM, btdt100 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh I typed a post before reading all posts. Excuse me but we do see >>>>>> Pitt's argument exactly the same. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57:39 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind of like saying: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *"There's chapters of the Ku-Klux-Klan which are benevolent loving >>>>>>> organizations; and we shouldn't label the KKK as a hate group"...* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Pittalum <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In general, I am of the opinion that it is important that when >>>>>>>> designating the bad guys, to not haphazardly include a whole lotta not >>>>>>>> bad >>>>>>>> guys. I think it's a very bad idea to do so... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's not really so hard to understand, is it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Today, only a handful of countries designate the Brotherhood a >>>>>>>> terrorist organization tout court, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, >>>>>>>> Russia, and Syria. Many more countries designate local chapters of the >>>>>>>> Brotherhood terrorist organizations when they engage in terrorism, as >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> been the case with Hamas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We would never argue that designating a Brotherhood segment is >>>>>>>> inappropriate. Far from it. If the U.S. government obtains credible >>>>>>>> evidence that the Egyptian Brotherhood organization, for example, is >>>>>>>> ordering its members to engage in terrorism, then it should be >>>>>>>> designated a >>>>>>>> foreign terrorist organization. But that designation should be >>>>>>>> confined to >>>>>>>> the chapter engaging in violence and not extended to the other >>>>>>>> Brotherhood >>>>>>>> entities elsewhere in the world that might have nothing to do with >>>>>>>> terrorism." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/01/30/should-the- >>>>>>>> muslim-brotherhood-be-designated-a-terrorist-organization/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:30:57 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm baffled by posts like this Pittalum. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your belief that the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't support violence >>>>>>>>> is unique to say the least. The Muslim Brotherhood has many >>>>>>>>> individuals >>>>>>>>> who are labeled terrorists in place; the Muslim Brotherhood has long >>>>>>>>> supported ISIS, and although their methods may differ somewhat from >>>>>>>>> ISIS, >>>>>>>>> the Muslim Brotherhood's goal is one in the same with ISIS, which is >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> achieve and reach Dar-al-Islam; an Islamic worldwide caliphate. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Pittalum <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928 and sought >>>>>>>>>> to instill Islamic values into everyday life. It later evolved into a >>>>>>>>>> popular social and political organization and became Egypt’s leading >>>>>>>>>> opposition party. It has since inspired similar movements in >>>>>>>>>> countries such >>>>>>>>>> as Indonesia, Turkey, Jordan and Morocco. The Brotherhood disavowed >>>>>>>>>> violence >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/world/africa/egypt-muslim-brotherhood-explainer/> >>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>> ago, and noted scholars have emphasized >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-l-esposito/the-muslim-brotherhood-te_b_9329246.html> >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> it has fostered democratization and moderation in the Middle East. >>>>>>>>>> Two >>>>>>>>>> previous U.S. administrations concluded that it does not engage in >>>>>>>>>> terrorism, as did a recent report >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/118/118.pdf> >>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>> the British government." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yet if the group is designated as a terrorist organization, a >>>>>>>>>> growing $57 million Islamophobia machine >>>>>>>>>> <https://islamophobianetwork.com/>, backed by large funders, >>>>>>>>>> well-organized institutions and junk scientists, will be ready to >>>>>>>>>> lead an >>>>>>>>>> effort to link the Muslim Brotherhood to groups here. This industry >>>>>>>>>> demonizes Islam through fake news, ersatz reports and hateful >>>>>>>>>> rhetoric; >>>>>>>>>> fearmongers and peddles falsehoods about Sharia law; and encourages >>>>>>>>>> lawmakers across the country to criminalize Muslim and Arab >>>>>>>>>> communities >>>>>>>>>> through bans, registries, watch lists and the like. They have helped >>>>>>>>>> introduce >>>>>>>>>> <https://islamophobianetwork.com/consequences#mapping-anti-sharia-legislation> >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> than 100 anti-Sharia bills in state legislatures and encouraged >>>>>>>>>> and trained law enforcement >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/reports/2015/02/11/106394/fear-inc-2-0/> >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> see Islam as a religion of violence." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/08/ >>>>>>>>>> calling-the-muslim-brotherhood-a-terrorist-group-would-hurt- >>>>>>>>>> all-american-muslims/?utm_term=.c5a651f30c60 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 2:44:33 AM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you are the one who needs to get out more >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Egypt declares Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group >>>>>>>>>>> Announcement criminalises all activities, financing for and >>>>>>>>>>> membership of group from which ousted President Morsi hailed >>>>>>>>>>> This article is *3 years old* >>>>>>>>>>> Shares >>>>>>>>>>> 595 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Associated Press in Cairo >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday 25 December 2013 12.22 EST >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/25/egypt-declares >>>>>>>>>>> -muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 8:15:48 PM UTC-6, Pittalum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You fellows should really try to get out more... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Like issuing a blanket ban on allowing in nationals from >>>>>>>>>>>> seven predominantly Muslim countries, designating the Muslim >>>>>>>>>>>> Brotherhood >>>>>>>>>>>> does nothing to thwart terrorism and imposes unnecessary burdens >>>>>>>>>>>> on large >>>>>>>>>>>> numbers of people mainly to satisfy a clutch of fanatics here at >>>>>>>>>>>> home. >>>>>>>>>>>> Worse, wrongly designating nonviolent groups as part of a terrorist >>>>>>>>>>>> organization feeds into jihadist propaganda and potentially >>>>>>>>>>>> encourages >>>>>>>>>>>> political violence. The administration’s main “counter-terrorism” >>>>>>>>>>>> initiatives so far have nothing to do with countering terrorism and >>>>>>>>>>>> everything to do with indulging excessive fear of people that do >>>>>>>>>>>> not pose a >>>>>>>>>>>> threat to the U.S." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-cost-of-d >>>>>>>>>>>> esignating-the-muslim-brotherhood-as-terrorists/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 6:41:25 PM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If they elect him, there won't be a democratic party in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> forever. I hope they do elect him. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 5:03:07 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [[ If they elect him they will forever be known as the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrap-Muzzieshit-Traitor Party. ]] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group >>>>>>>>>> /PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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