Where are you getting your stuff? Janet Jackson is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood? I can't substantiate any of that stuff. Are you not aware that being a Muslim and being a member of the Brotherhood are not the same thing? The Muslim Brotherhood is not a 'very old and very common organization'. It was founded in the 1920's after the fall of the Ottoman Empire so to restore a caliphate like the Ottoman Empire. That is to say, the dissolution of all the secular governments and establishment of rule over ALL Muslims and their countries by a religious man, preferrably a descendant of Mohammed. And yea, making public laws according to God's law - Sharia. You know, one of those theocracies you liberals claim to oppose when it comes to Christians or Jews. Do you have a clue to what you are defending?
On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-6, Pittalum wrote: > > So, then you are in agreement that we should designate the entire, > sprawling organization of the* Muslim Brotherhood* as a terrorist > organization. Do you even know what that means, or the implications - or do > you understand how far flung that *organization* is? > > Does that mean you will then be Ok with, say, prosecuting Kareem Abdul > Jabbar, or Janet Jackson, or Shaquille O'Neill, or Cat Stevens (again) for > providing material support to terrorist organizations when they give money > to muslim charities that could easily be connected in some way to that very > old and very common organization? > > One of the things I find most irritating about conservatives is how often > they so easily jump to some rash conclusion or snap judgement with little > consideration to what will follow. > > Did either of you read either of the articles I linked to above? > > > On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 10:36:44 AM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >> >> Yes we do!! Good morning to you too Keith. >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 9:33:04 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> Good Morning BDT! >>> >>> *"Great Minds~~Think Alike!"* >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:30 AM, btdt100 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Oh I typed a post before reading all posts. Excuse me but we do see >>>> Pitt's argument exactly the same. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57:39 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Kind of like saying: >>>>> >>>>> *"There's chapters of the Ku-Klux-Klan which are benevolent loving >>>>> organizations; and we shouldn't label the KKK as a hate group"...* >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Pittalum <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In general, I am of the opinion that it is important that when >>>>>> designating the bad guys, to not haphazardly include a whole lotta not >>>>>> bad >>>>>> guys. I think it's a very bad idea to do so... >>>>>> >>>>>> That's not really so hard to understand, is it? >>>>>> >>>>>> "Today, only a handful of countries designate the Brotherhood a >>>>>> terrorist organization tout court, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, >>>>>> Russia, and Syria. Many more countries designate local chapters of the >>>>>> Brotherhood terrorist organizations when they engage in terrorism, as >>>>>> has >>>>>> been the case with Hamas. >>>>>> >>>>>> We would never argue that designating a Brotherhood segment is >>>>>> inappropriate. Far from it. If the U.S. government obtains credible >>>>>> evidence that the Egyptian Brotherhood organization, for example, is >>>>>> ordering its members to engage in terrorism, then it should be >>>>>> designated a >>>>>> foreign terrorist organization. But that designation should be confined >>>>>> to >>>>>> the chapter engaging in violence and not extended to the other >>>>>> Brotherhood >>>>>> entities elsewhere in the world that might have nothing to do with >>>>>> terrorism." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/01/30/should-the-muslim-brotherhood-be-designated-a-terrorist-organization/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:30:57 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm baffled by posts like this Pittalum. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your belief that the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't support violence is >>>>>>> unique to say the least. The Muslim Brotherhood has many individuals >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> are labeled terrorists in place; the Muslim Brotherhood has long >>>>>>> supported >>>>>>> ISIS, and although their methods may differ somewhat from ISIS, the >>>>>>> Muslim >>>>>>> Brotherhood's goal is one in the same with ISIS, which is to achieve >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> reach Dar-al-Islam; an Islamic worldwide caliphate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Pittalum <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928 and sought to >>>>>>>> instill Islamic values into everyday life. It later evolved into a >>>>>>>> popular >>>>>>>> social and political organization and became Egypt’s leading >>>>>>>> opposition >>>>>>>> party. It has since inspired similar movements in countries such as >>>>>>>> Indonesia, Turkey, Jordan and Morocco. The Brotherhood disavowed >>>>>>>> violence >>>>>>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/world/africa/egypt-muslim-brotherhood-explainer/> >>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>> ago, and noted scholars have emphasized >>>>>>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-l-esposito/the-muslim-brotherhood-te_b_9329246.html> >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> it has fostered democratization and moderation in the Middle East. Two >>>>>>>> previous U.S. administrations concluded that it does not engage in >>>>>>>> terrorism, as did a recent report >>>>>>>> <https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/118/118.pdf> >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> the British government." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yet if the group is designated as a terrorist organization, a >>>>>>>> growing $57 million Islamophobia machine >>>>>>>> <https://islamophobianetwork.com/>, backed by large funders, >>>>>>>> well-organized institutions and junk scientists, will be ready to lead >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> effort to link the Muslim Brotherhood to groups here. This industry >>>>>>>> demonizes Islam through fake news, ersatz reports and hateful >>>>>>>> rhetoric; >>>>>>>> fearmongers and peddles falsehoods about Sharia law; and encourages >>>>>>>> lawmakers across the country to criminalize Muslim and Arab >>>>>>>> communities >>>>>>>> through bans, registries, watch lists and the like. They have helped >>>>>>>> introduce >>>>>>>> <https://islamophobianetwork.com/consequences#mapping-anti-sharia-legislation> >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> than 100 anti-Sharia bills in state legislatures and encouraged >>>>>>>> and trained law enforcement >>>>>>>> <https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/reports/2015/02/11/106394/fear-inc-2-0/> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> see Islam as a religion of violence." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/08/calling-the-muslim-brotherhood-a-terrorist-group-would-hurt-all-american-muslims/?utm_term=.c5a651f30c60 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 2:44:33 AM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe you are the one who needs to get out more >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Egypt declares Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group >>>>>>>>> Announcement criminalises all activities, financing for and >>>>>>>>> membership of group from which ousted President Morsi hailed >>>>>>>>> This article is *3 years old* >>>>>>>>> Shares >>>>>>>>> 595 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Associated Press in Cairo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wednesday 25 December 2013 12.22 EST >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/25/egypt-declares-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 8:15:48 PM UTC-6, Pittalum wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You fellows should really try to get out more... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Like issuing a blanket ban on allowing in nationals from seven >>>>>>>>>> predominantly Muslim countries, designating the Muslim Brotherhood >>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>> nothing to thwart terrorism and imposes unnecessary burdens on large >>>>>>>>>> numbers of people mainly to satisfy a clutch of fanatics here at >>>>>>>>>> home. >>>>>>>>>> Worse, wrongly designating nonviolent groups as part of a terrorist >>>>>>>>>> organization feeds into jihadist propaganda and potentially >>>>>>>>>> encourages >>>>>>>>>> political violence. The administration’s main “counter-terrorism” >>>>>>>>>> initiatives so far have nothing to do with countering terrorism and >>>>>>>>>> everything to do with indulging excessive fear of people that do not >>>>>>>>>> pose a >>>>>>>>>> threat to the U.S." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-cost-of-designating-the-muslim-brotherhood-as-terrorists/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 6:41:25 PM UTC-5, btdt100 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If they elect him, there won't be a democratic party in the >>>>>>>>>>> forever. I hope they do elect him. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 5:03:07 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [[ If they elect him they will forever be known as the >>>>>>>>>>>> Democrap-Muzzieshit-Traitor Party. ]] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>> For options & help see >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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