By the way... Obama's Mother lacked the qualifications, Legally, to give her Son Citizenship, if he were in fact Born in Kenya.
So he "was" a Kenyan Citizen, if Berg is right, and then became an Indonesian, and has never been a U.S. Citizen. On Nov 11, 9:33 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At the risk of contradicting myself, which I'm about to do - the whole > question of Obama's citizenship seems less a matter of law than of > public scrutiny, that is, if the question itself became common > knowledge, if the electorate becomes aware of the situation, therein > lies the real damage - if any. > > Otherwise, I seriously doubt the law itself will unseat the president- > elect. Mainly because the question of dual citizenship has been > challenged and defeated many times; dual citizenship is recognized by > the US, particularly because a number of foreign countries do not > allow renunciation of citizenship, such as in the cases of naturalized > US citizens. > > Meanwhile, I'm assuming Obama can prove he's a natural born citizen, > which would essentially render Berg's questions moot. > > The only potential violation I see is in the "use" of an Indonesian > passport, specifically to enter a country (Pakistan) that had been > declared off limits to US citizens (dual or not) by the US Department > of State. Nonetheless, even if Obama were found to be in simple > violation of the directive, it would not adversely effect his US > Citizenship. > > Which brings us (me) back to square one: production of a valid birth > certificate. > > Let's assume, as Berg asserts, that Barack was born in Kenya, the home > of his natural father. Several days later his mother, a US citizen, > registers his birth in Hawaii by affidavit or signature. A court is > likely to recognize Obama's status as a citizen based on the time > (year) and intent - rather than question the certificate itself, > assuming it meets Hawaii's standard. Which it apparently does, as > verified by Hawaii's current governor. > > In fact, the more I think about this case, the more I believe it > should fail on legal grounds - with or without "standing." Berg > asserts, for example, that Obama failed to swear an oath upon his > return from Indonesia, when he reached the age of majority. But Obama > left and returned as a minor and was not a willing or knowledgeable > participant regarding Indonesian law. In order to make such a charge > stick, the court would be required to call in the State Department - > and the State Department would need to produce proof of Barack's "un- > American" activities - as a 5-yer-old. Barring that, the court would > have to rely on Indonesian law, in effect, strip Obama's US > citizenship based on association rather than outright collusion - > again, as a minor. > > We may not want Obama as president, but that's political... and we're > in the minority. > > Berg’s suit should be thrown out. > > Beyond the “law,” which is ambiguous at best in these matters, I would > rely more on intent. Certainly Barack’s intent was and is to be a US > citizen, and to afford him anything less would be… un-American. Not to > mention making a mockery of this country. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
