I guess watching the WTC burn and having some of my friends die in them was just an illusion, huh bright boy?
On Jan 13, 10:24 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > Exactly. Everyone should be able to practice and disseminate their > beliefs with complete freedom and with access all methods of > communication to do so. It becomes the individuals choice as to what > they do with the information presented. > > The reason that the ruling class refers to the US as a "christian > nation" is so they can cloak a war launched to offset the collapse of > the US economy (a war for profit) as a war against Islamic sponsored > terror (an ideological war to preserve our supposed superior culture > and way of life). > > Such reprehinsible propaganda is always spewed out by the viliest, > most dispicable representitives of the ruling class (this most > definitely includes Obama) in times of crisis. Hitler vilified the > Jews and appealed to national patriotism and the superiority of the > Aryan race as a cover for a war launched in response to the collapse > of Germany's economy due to the depression and a crushing war > debt. (Germany like America possessed the technology an > industrial might to resort to the barbarism of sacrificing the lives > of its citizens to maintain its economic power). > > On Jan 14, 4:10 am, "J.C." <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > But Zebs, there is a difference between ethics and morality; one > > person's morality may not be the same as another's; feminism is just > > such an example. I believe in God, but I don't believe in organized > > religion, and I don't want any group affiliated with an organized > > religion influencing my children, especially in the school system. It > > is my right to determine what my children are taught in regard to a > > religious premise, and my choice is to teach them what I believe, > > while allowing them the right and option to make their own choice when > > they are old enough to do so. > > > As for separation of church and state - it most certainly was > > recognized by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1868 in the > > case of Reynolds vs. The United States. Furthermore, most of the > > founding fathers were in favor of such a separation, which is why the > > freedom of religion clause is in the Constitution. The biggest > > falsity I hear in discussion is that the United States is a > > "Christian" nation, when, in fact, that is not even remotely > > accurate. We are a nation of blended religions, including the > > religions that each claim to be the one true Christian religion. > > > On Jan 13, 9:44 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ethics and morality are diametrically opposed to religion. > > > > More absurdity. You don't seem to be able to differentiate religion > > > from certain people who use it or pervert it for there own purposes. > > > And before you relegate religion to the "anti-scientific", understand > > > that people who's scientific minds dwarf your own abilities, like > > > Einstein, believed in a God. Really smart people understand the > > > limitations of human understanding as well as iits great potential. > > > > On Jan 13, 6:41 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ethics and morality are diametrically opposed to religion. The > > > > inquistion, the facist mafia gangsterism of the catholic church and > > > > the backward anti-scientific position of christian fundementalism are > > > > evidence enough that religion is a doctrine of reaction and > > > > philistinism. > > > > > Even so, philistines have a right to practice their stupidity, but > > > > they do not have the right to inflict it upon the wider community. > > > > > Man's aspiration for a society based on the highest moral and ethical > > > > principles cannot be achieved on the basis of ideology or even on the > > > > best of intentions as put forward by the founding fathers. it must be > > > > based on the rationalization logical distribution of the wealth of the > > > > world, eradicating the current system based on man's exploitation of > > > > man and the private ownership of the world's resources which belong to > > > > all--not to Halliburton, exxon mobile, roi tinto etc. > > > > > The current crisis is a crisis of the contradictions of a system that > > > > is not fit for savages > > > > > > What? Absurd! Thats like saying that peoples ethics should not > > > > > influence their decision making in public office. > > > > > > On Jan 12, 4:47 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Do you need to refer to the constitution before you wipe your ass? > > > > > > > It is an axiomatic necessity that no religious deity should be able > > > > > > to > > > > > > influence the affairs of state in a functioning democracy. There is > > > > > > no > > > > > > surer sign of the advanced decay of bourgeois democracy throughout > > > > > > the > > > > > > world than its desperate reactionary capitulation to backward > > > > > > religious obscurantism. > > > > > > > When governments extol the sacred virtures of their culture, their > > > > > > religion, their way of life, what they are doing is cynically > > > > > > attempting to preserve the status quo and their position of power in > > > > > > society. > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 9:29 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The constiution bars the government form establishing a state > > > > > > > religion. There is no "separation of church and state" provision. > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 5:12 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > in the stated ways. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2:57 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > LOL! Violates the constitution? How? > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 3:22 am, "florida mike !" > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > lets see first of all the title to your thread is false and > > > > > > > > > > misleading > > > > > > > > > > and secondly the schoolis violating the constitution by not > > > > > > > > > > sperating > > > > > > > > > > church and state ! > > > > > > > > > > H.S. v. Huntington County Comm. School Corp. (U.S. > > > > > > > > > > Dist.Ct. – No. > > > > > > > > > > Dist. of Indiana) [Filed > > > > > > > > > > 11/08]http://www.aclu-in.org/subpage.asp?p=32 > > > > > > > > > > This case challenges the fact that the school corporation > > > > > > > > > > allows a > > > > > > > > > > release time religious program to operate during school > > > > > > > > > > hours in a > > > > > > > > > > trailer on school property which is hooked up to school > > > > > > > > > > electricity. > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, the public school teachers escort the > > > > > > > > > > children back and > > > > > > > > > > forth to the programming. > > > > > > > > > > ATTORNEY(S): Jacquelyn Bowie Suess > > > > > > > > > > > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 10, 6:24 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > AKA: American Communist Lovers Union > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Travis > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, Jan 10, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: ACLU Continues Pushing For Atheism As The > > > > > > > > > > > Official Religion Of > > > > > > > > > > > Country | American Conservative Daily > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.americanconservativedaily.com/2009/01/aclu-continues-pushi... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > *~@):~{>- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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