now that i can agree with ! On Jan 18, 5:40 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > I think the leaders, political and religious from both sides, should > be taken out and shot. We might then be able to start a real dilogue > in the ME. > > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Mark, > > > It's not that he is emotionally vested in his position on this that > > bothers me but rather his failure to consider and evaluating what the > > opposing side has said - in this case you and jgg - and respond > > accordingly. And he does this time and time again. It's obvious you > > feel pretty strongly about this as well but that has not prevented you > > from presenting facts and making logical arguments. > > > On Jan 18, 1:51 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I disagree with both you and frank. He is just allowing his deep felt > >> emotions on the matter to get the best of him in this matter.. > > >> On 1/18/09, Cold Water <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Mike will waste your valuable time (his goal) and continue to spew the > >> > same > >> > garbage. Wise up! > > >> > CW > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "frankg" <[email protected]> > >> > To: "PoliticalForum" <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:05 > >> > Subject: Re: A note to Mike, Even Europe is tiring over Hamas' hateful > >> > and > >> > bloody Ideology > > >> > Mark, I tried to warn you. Do not attempt to reason with Mike using > >> > facts and logic, it won't work. He'll just keep repeating the same > >> > thing over and over like a busted record. Don't expect him to try to > >> > address the points you made; to do so would require him to either > >> > counter with facts and logic of his own or admit he was wrong, neither > >> > of which I think I have ever seen Mike do on this board. > > >> > On Jan 18, 11:39 am, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > what the israelites are doing is covered in the Geneva convention > >> > > under war crimes . > > >> > > On Jan 18, 10:24 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > No, Mike. War crimes and that which makes them so is carefully > >> > > > defined > >> > > > in the covenants. Nothing you are proffering meets the requirements. > > >> > > > I am not justifying anything. I am saying your logic is flawed and > >> > > > that it is NOT supported by fact. > > >> > > > By using the acts of Hamas I am pointing out things that DO qualify > >> > > > as > >> > > > war crimes. It is, for me, an arguement over legalities. > >> > > > confrontations like these have no good and bad, just bad and worse. > >> > > > legal definitions do NOT contain or allow room for emotions. I > >> > > > suggest > >> > > > you check yours at the door and take another look. > > >> > > > On 1/18/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > the one small detail as you call it is that they are committing war > >> > > > > crimes ! > >> > > > > and you are trying to justify the indefensible by saying but the > >> > > > > Palestinians are bad people too . so fucking what ? they are all > >> > > > > bad > >> > > > > people people and the war crimes are still being committed ! > >> > > > > On Jan 17, 4:14 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > Mike, on this issue you are NO different than Gaar. you are > >> > > > > > paying > >> > > > > > attention to one SMALL but not insignificant part of the story > >> > > > > > and > >> > > > > > considering that which sticks in your craw as the ONLY point of > >> > > > > > view. > > >> > > > > > Phosphorous is legal. Bombing a house where there are combatants > >> > > > > > is > >> > > > > > NOT a crime. Throwing a grenade into your living room is illegal > >> > > > > > EXCEPT when an overt threat is directed at me.... it does NOT > >> > > > > > MATTER > >> > > > > > who is there with you. There were shots fired from the UN > >> > > > > > compound > >> > > > > > (not the first time, I have seen it in the Congo) The UN (my > >> > > > > > employers) were NOT allowed in the compound yet were (and are), > >> > > > > > responsible for those that enter and what is on their persons, > >> > > > > > they > >> > > > > > are trying to deny their responsibilities. To take action against > >> > > > > > shots from within or from nearby that compound is NOT a crime. To > >> > > > > > stop > >> > > > > > a boat from entering Israeli waters when that is its STATED and > >> > > > > > MANIFESTED purpose is NOT a crime. Israel gave notice to the > >> > > > > > international community and shipping about hours and places of > >> > > > > > admission... and have complied with that schedule.... the people > >> > > > > > on > >> > > > > > that boat CHOSE to ignore it, they could have been legally sunk. > > >> > > > > > NEXT !!!!! > > >> > > > > > By definition these are NOT in any sense of the word, war crimes. > > >> > > > > > It is Hamas that is steadfastly refusing the cease fire and > >> > > > > > demanding > >> > > > > > unchecked admission to Israel. > > >> > > > > > On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > mark are you saying the Israelis have not used phosphorus or > >> > > > > > > bombed > >> > > > > > > civilian houses ? oh and lets not forget about bombing the UN > >> > > > > > > camp > >> > > > > > > as > >> > > > > > > well as attacking ships in international waters . > >> > > > > > > each and every one of these things is a war crime as you well > >> > > > > > > know > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > nothing the palestinians do or did will justify the Jews > >> > > > > > > committing > >> > > > > > > war crimes . > >> > > > > > > On Jan 17, 3:14 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > You have yet to point to one FACT confirming your > >> > > > > > > > position.... > >> > > > > > > > you are > >> > > > > > > > starting to sound just like Gaar. > > >> > > > > > > > On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > Do you think Hamas did NOT realize that offensive action > >> > > > > > > > > would > >> > > > > > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > > taken when the Israelis were fired on ?? > >> > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with the fact that the Jews are > >> > > > > > > > > committing war > >> > > > > > > > > crimes ! nothing can justifie commiting war crimes nothing > >> > > > > > > > > ! > >> > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 12:35 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > It seems that you overlooked this one small point. > > >> > > > > > > > > > Do you think Hamas did NOT realize that offensive action > >> > > > > > > > > > would be > >> > > > > > > > > > taken when the Israelis were fired on ?? They knew. They > >> > > > > > > > > > did > >> > > > > > > > > > not care. > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mike, if you shoot at me from your family room and it is > >> > > > > > > > > > full of > >> > > > > > > > > > peole... I'm shooting back. Where the confrontation takes > >> > > > > > > > > > place is > >> > > > > > > > > > your choice and the results (based on location) on your > >> > > > > > > > > > head. > > >> > > > > > > > > > Israeli PM Olmert said Hamas militants had fired at > >> > > > > > > > > > Israeli > >> > > > > > > > > > troops > >> > > > > > > > > > from the location. > > >> > > > > > > > > > Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the military > >> > > > > > > > > > fired > >> > > > > > > > > > artillery > >> > > > > > > > > > shells at the U.N. compound after Hamas militants opened > >> > > > > > > > > > fire from the > >> > > > > > > > > > location. Three people were wounded. > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM, liberal mike532 ! > > >> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Israeli Forces Shell UN Headquarters in Gaza > >> > > > > > > > > > >http://www.truthout.org/011509C > >> > > > > > > > > > > Ibrahim Barzak and Amy Teibel, The Associated Press: > >> > > > > > > > > > > "Israeli forces > >> > > > > > > > > > > shelled the United Nations headquarters in the Gaza > >> > > > > > > > > > > Strip > >> > > > > > > > > > > on > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, > >> > > > > > > > > > > setting fire to the compound filled with hundreds of > >> > > > > > > > > > > refugees as U.N. > >> > > > > > > > > > > chief Ban Ki-moon was in the region on a mission to end > >> > > > > > > > > > > Israel's > >> > > > > > > > > > > devastating offensive against the territory's Hamas > >> > > > > > > > > > > rulers." > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 10:15 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> What proof do you have of that Mike?? > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> The crime being committed is the use of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> non-combatants as > >> > > > > > > > > > >> fodder. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> There is no proof Israel has used a single illegal > >> > > > > > > > > > >> weapon, targeted a > >> > > > > > > > > > >> single spot without proof a combatant was there, or > >> > > > > > > > > > >> prosecuted the war > >> > > > > > > > > > >> with unnecessary force. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Yet Hamas demands unfettered access to Israel as one > >> > > > > > > > > > >> of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> their demands. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Hell, it takes a passport to enter canada and mexico > >> > > > > > > > > > >> now.... no one > >> > > > > > > > > > >> gets unfettered access to anyone elses country. Talk > >> > > > > > > > > > >> about unreal and > >> > > > > > > > > > >> knowing it !! > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> On 1/17/09, liberal mike532 ! > >> > > > > > > > > > >> <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > not one word of that has anything to do the Jews > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > committing war > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > crimes ! > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > On Jan 17, 9:46 am, Mark <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Margareth, > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Being nice did not work. The Moslem fanatics can > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > not > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > allow it to work. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > It is absolutely counter to their goals and hoped > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > for > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > control of every > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > aspect of the lives of every Moslem to allow it > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > to do > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > so. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Just imagine what would happen to their doctrine > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > if > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > rule of > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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