Everybody: We are never going to get anything of any use done until we do two simple things: 1. term limits on congress and 2. overhaul of the campaign finance system.
We have to do both these now. Congress is THE PROBLEM. not the solution. #1. 12 years lifetime total in congress, house and senate combined. #2. I have this outlined and will get it written and posted asap. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > bruce, > > Point out where I made that statement. I stated only that the > production of Hemp has been made illegal. I hardly think that Hemp is > the ONLY thing that "could increase energy supplies and domestic > production". That would have to be true for your statement to have ANY > validity. > Conservation could "increase energy supplies" and is certainly not > outlawed. Hemp is certainly not the ONLY seed who's oil can be used to > produce fuel. Solar, wind, geothermal, hydrogen fuel cells, etc. etc. > have not been outlawed. > > > > On Jul 13, 10:10 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > Everything that could increase energy supplies and domestic production > that > > is feasible has been outlawed > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Hollywood <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > Please feel free to suggest anything you wish. > > > > > On Jul 13, 9:49 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I suspect that if hemp could replace oil and other commodities as > > > > easily and efficiently as you assert, someone like T. Boone Pickins > > > > would have capitalized on it long ago. Like you say, there would be a > > > > fortune in it. > > > > > > On Jul 13, 12:23 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Richard, > > > > > > > We probably have more in common that you think. I think you just > let > > > > > the label "liberal" sometimes influence your thinking and opinions. > I > > > > > have been saying these same things for years. > > > > > > > All you have to do is take the advice an old retired big city > police > > > > > detective once gave me years ago. If you ever want to know WHY a > thing > > > > > has been done or, more importantly, WHO is behind that thing just > > > > > FOLLOW THE MONEY. There are always two reasons for a thing being > done. > > > > > There is the public reason given, and then there is the REAL > reason. > > > > > Ask yourself, why is it illegal in the U.S. to grow one of the > most > > > > > useful plants known to man, and has been since the 1930's? PUBLIC > > > > > REASON: It is a relative to the marijuana plant and might be > mistaken > > > > > for it. > > > > > REAL REASON: FOLLOW THE MONEY. It can and would, in time, replace > or > > > > > at the very least reduce the need and useage of oil in the country. > > > > > Who do you think could possibly object to that? Maybe Mobil/Exxon > and > > > > > a bunch of other people. > > > > > Now, who would not like to use the hemp plant fiber to replace > wood? > > > > > Consider that Industrail Grade Hemp is basically a weed and will > grow > > > > > pretty much anywhere in the CONUS. As a weed it needs very little > > > > > fertilizers to grow. Who makes fertilizers and what is an important > > > > > component in making fertilizers? As a weed basically it also needs > > > > > very little pesticides. Who makes a lot of pesticides? Who grows, > > > > > harvests and makes paper out of trees? What is used in immense > amounts > > > > > to turn trees into paper? > > > > > > > Now, ask yourself why corn was used to make ethanol. a dumb idea in > > > > > the first place. A major food crop for God's sake. > > > > > Guess which two crops use the most fertilizers, pesticides and > other > > > > > chemicals? it's cotton and CORN. > > > > > > > So, who is likely to be hurt, at least short term, by fully > utilizing > > > > > the industrial grade hemp plant? Only heavy- weights such as all > the > > > > > oil companies, all the paper companies and all the major chemical > > > > > companies in this country. You think those boys have any political > > > > > clout in this country? > > > > > > > ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY. > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 10:21 pm, RichardForbes <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You are starting to scare me, or more accurately our level of > > > > > > agreement is starting to scare me. I have a really hard time > > > figuring > > > > > > out how our politicians can argu over such ridiculous matters as > they > > > > > > are simultaneously complicit in the damaging of our national > > > > > > security. It make no sense to me. > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 8:38 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ, must we go over all of this yet again? Our > political > > > > > > > "leaders' of BOTH parties have been complete, self-serving > morons > > > > > > > concerning energy policy and the approach to alternative fuels > to > > > > > > > carbon based fuels for decades now. > > > > > > > > > BIG hint, do you remember the OPEC oil embargo of 1973, over 35 > > > > > > > fucking years ago? What did all our illustrious leaders say? > You > > > don't > > > > > > > remember all the impassioned speeches, from BOTH party's > "leaders" > > > > > > > about how "Americans will never be held hostage by "foreign > oil" > > > ever > > > > > > > again"? How about the promises to devote as much money and > > > "American > > > > > > > know-how" as needed to sovle this issue? No we probably can't > solve > > > > > > > the problem in 3 to 5 years. What if we had began in earnest 35 > > > > > > > fucking years ago? > > > > > > > > > For Christ's Sake, Henry Ford and Rudolph Deisel fully intended > for > > > > > > > their engines to run on vegtable based oil or ethyl alcohol 100 > > > years > > > > > > > ago. Henry Ford built a car out of help plant fiber and run on > hemp > > > > > > > seed oil in 1941. > > > > > > > Anything, from plastics, to fertiziler, to paint to fuel for > cars & > > > > > > > trucks, currently made from the fossil fuel normally called oil > can > > > be > > > > > > > made from hemp seed oil. Everything currently made from wood > can be > > > > > > > made using the fiber from the hemp plant. The Constituion was > > > printed > > > > > > > on paper made from hemp. Ever heard the expression "he was hung > > > with a > > > > > > > good hemp rope"? We've only been aware of this for 100 years or > so. > > > > > > > > > And that is Just ONE little plant, the hemp plant. I could go > on > > > and > > > > > > > on and on. But I've done it many times before and some people > just > > > > > > > don't want to listen. Our political leaders haven't been doing > any > > > > > > > leading on this since before I was born, gutless wonders that > they > > > > > > > are. No will, no guts, no imagination whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:48 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Fred, > > > > > > > > > > I recall no television commercials where the GOP were opposed > to > > > clean coal > > > > > > > > technology. Just the opposite is true. I recall there being > a > > > split > > > > > > > > between Joe Biden and President Obama; Biden favoring clean > coal > > > > > > > > technology, as opposed to his running mate. > > > > > > > > > > There should be no partisan issues here, and yes, the > Democrats > > > made it a > > > > > > > > partisan issue. > > > > > > > > > > If you think that we are going to come up with some > alternative > > > energy that > > > > > > > > will replace the combustion engine in the next three to five > > > years, (or ten > > > > > > > > years) then you are not nearly as saavy as I thought you > were. > > > Oil is > > > > > > > > requisite for our society, and we need it! It is a matter of > > > national > > > > > > > > security for our Nation to function, from the food that you > eat, > > > to the > > > > > > > > shrink wrap that covers your underwear that you buy at > K-Mart, > > > oil is a > > > > > > > > prerequisite. There are no air farm packages manufactured, > there > > > are no > > > > > > > > nuclear fueled automobiles, and to date, there is no hydrogen > > > powered or > > > > > > > > water powered facilities that make tools, equipment, asphalt, > or > > > the > > > > > > > > thousands of other items that we depend upon for petroleum in > > > this Nation. > > > > > > > > > > You are turning a blind eye if you suggest that there is more > > > than one > > > > > > > > answer here, there isn't. Our Nation needs a comprehensive > > > energy policy > > > > > > > > and plan, of which the Republican Party has placed forth, and > the > > > socialists > > > > > > > > are fighting tooth and nail in their attempt at class warfare > and > > > their > > > > > > > > Anti-American agenda. > > > > > > > > > > To suggest that we should be a part of the Kyoto Treaty, > which > > > limits our > > > > > > > > ability to produce, but doesn't limit emerging Nation-States > like > > > China, > > > > > > > > India, Thailand, Brazil, or any other third world > Nation-State is > > > > > > > > Anti-American. It is laughable, and just misplaced. > > > > > > > > > > I encourage you to read, study, and look for what has been > > > proposed, and > > > > > > > > then, once you realize that you, and the rest of the Democrat > > > constituents > > > > > > > > have been sold a bill of goods, get on the phone with your > > > Congressman and > > > > > > > > demand that they support a comprehensive energy plan that > > > includes the > > > > > > > > expansion for exploring and drilling for more oil, as well as > a > > > concerted > > > > > > > > attempt at developing new energy technologies, like hydrogen. > > > > > > > > > > There would be no partisan debate if folks like you would > educate > > > yourself > > > > > > > > and start looking at the consequences of what the Democrat > > > Party's plan is, > > > > > > > > and what their real agenda is..... > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Hollywood < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > > > Your simply beautiful man, a piece of work. Here's your > > > position > > > > > > > > > basically, with most of the bullshit stripped away. > > > > > > > > > "There won't be no "partisan rifts", just so long as you do > > > things our > > > > > > > > > way and go get all uppity by having opinions that differ > from > > > ours". > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, and the simple act of disagreeing with us makes > you > > > "social- > > > > > > > > > elitist anti-Americans". > > > > > > > > > > > You remind me a lot of my first wife. Everything would have > > > been fine > > > > > > > > > had I learned to shut the fuck up and just done everything > her > > > way. > > > > > > > > > THAT was thew ENTIRE problem. "Sniff".... I miss that bitch > so > > > much > > > > > > > > > I'm almost as miserable as when she was here.. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 10:57 am, Keith In Tampa < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Fred, > > > > > > > > > > > > How ridiculous! If there was a partisan rift, it was > caused > > > by those far > > > > > > > > > > left socialists that belong to the Democrat Party! There > was > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > partisan about this issue, until such time as the > socialists > > > did > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > that they could do, to block the exploration and drilling > for > > > oil in and > > > > > > > > > > around our Nation! The Democrats have blocked any type > of > > > comprehensive > > > > > > > > > > energy > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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