KIT, Please refer to my response to Zeb above.
On Jul 13, 10:57 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Holly, > > You are living in a dream world. The Cities of San Francisco, New York, > Seattle, Portland, and a host of other municipalities have basically told > the federal government to stick it! It is not a question of State Law or > municipal ordinance trumping federal law, it is a question of muncipalities > not enforcing and outright ignoring their enforcement obligations. > > This backfired in San Francisco on numerous occasions, here is but one > example from a year ago when the City released a murdering thug who killed > a man and his two sons. No outcry from major media, (except FOX News) > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387722,00.html > > Monday, July 21, 2008 > > *A San Francisco woman whose husband and two sons were gunned down last > month — allegedly by an illegal immigrant who remained in the city despite > previous crimes — is demanding the city do something about its sanctuary > law.* > > Danielle Bologna was widowed on June 22 when Edwin Ramos, 21, an illegal > immigrant from El Salvador, allegedly gunned down her husband, Anthony, and > two sons, Matthew and Michael, in a road rage incident when her family was > returning from a picnic. > > Ramos has been charged with three counts of murder in the case, according to > the San Francisco Chronicle. > > "It was a senseless crime, and had they done something this animal would not > have taken my family," Bologna told FOX News on Monday. "I feel that the > government should have stepped in. I feel that they allow these immigrants > to come in and how dare they strip our families like this." > > The Chronicle reported that Ramos was convicted of two gang-related felonies > while a juvenile and remained in San Francisco because the Juvenile > Probation Department did not alert federal authorities. San Francisco's 1989 > "City of Refuge" ordinance prohibits city agencies from contacting the feds > on immigration matters. > > The newspaper also found that federal officials knew about Ramos' > immigration status in March when he was arrested on a gun charge, though > they couldn't tell the Chronicle why they didn't put an immigration hold on > Ramos. > > Bologna blames the city. > > "It should have been resolved at the beginning, when this guy had done more > than one crime in the city," she told FOX News. "I want justice. I want the > people to see: If my family wasn’t safe, what makes you think yours will > be?" > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Hollywood > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > Bullshit. Since when does local or state laws supercede Federal law? > > If the Feds cite a local or state law as the reason thay can't do > > something it's because that's what they want to do and are using the > > local or state law as an excuse for not doing the job. > > > On Jul 13, 10:19 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Look Holly, this stuff is no big secret. Democrat cities like NYC or > > > San Francisco actually prevent government agencies form reporting > > > illegal aliens to authorities. The rationale for this is that they > > > won't report crime to the police or take their children to clinics, > > > etc., for fear of being deported. Lefties don't even refer to them as > > > ILLEGAL ALIENS, they call them "immigrants." Personally, the "crisis" > > > that guys coming up from Mexico to cut lawns and do dishes present > > > ranks just below the "crisis" that we're just about to burn up the > > > planet because of the pollution from our expelled breath. > > > > On Jul 12, 12:06 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > The ACLU is stopping the INS from enforcing the laws against hiring > > > > illegal immigrants? How, when, where? Show me the proof. I don't give > > > > the slightest fuck WHO is stopping the enforcement of the laws, my > > > > suggestion was to ignore such opposition and enforce the damn law. > > > > Don't give a fuck who is calling enforcing the law "racist". You > > > > telling me the INS is saying "oh, we can't enforce the law someone > > > > might think it's racist"? So, if I'm stopped for speeding and a black > > > > or latino cop pulls me over all I have to do is call his actions > > > > racist and I won't get a ticket? BULLSHIT. > > > > Give me a link showing the court order forbidding the INS, a federal > > > > agency, to enforce laws regarding the hiring of illegal workers. > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:53 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Your "criticism" of corporations is stating the obvious. SO FUCKING > > > > > WHAT?? Who is stopping the enforcement of immigration laws? Who calls > > > > > them racist? ASSHOLES on the left, thats who. > > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:46 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > And you lack the cajones to even breath a suggestion of what even > > > > > > might be construed as criticism of American corporations concerning > > > > > > the issue of illegal immigration. Hasn't this thread PROVEN that? > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:41 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You wouldn't have the balls to try to fight such as the ACLU over > > > > > > > enforcing immigration laws. > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:18 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > Oh please. Both pissed in their pants and stated talking about > > "right > > > > > > > > and wrong" instead of obeying immigration laws. bruce started > > to cry > > > > > > > > about "people should be free to work and live where they like". > > > > > > > > Apparently he considers crossing the border illegally without > > proper > > > > > > > > papers to be a mere technicality. All the sudden these illegal > > > > > > > > immigrants became "visitors". > > > > > > > > > And just when did all this loving concern for the illegal > > immigrants > > > > > > > > begin? About one minute after I suggested that a good way to > > stop > > > > > > > > illegal immigration would be to dry up the jobs which they are > > coming > > > > > > > > here to obtain by applying significant punishment to the > > companies > > > > > > > > that illegally hire them. > > > > > > > > > Let me guess which are the laws those two want lessened? Could > > it > > > > > > > > possibly be in the area of punishing corporations for breaking > > > > > > > > immigration laws to the extent of actually improving the > > situation? > > > > > > > > > Tell me, just where in my post did I suggest ANYTHING other > > than > > > > > > > > deported captured illegal immigrants? Tell be where I argued > > with ANY > > > > > > > > of the posted stats concerning what you illegal immigrants cosy > > our > > > > > > > > society and tax-payers? WHERE? > > > > > > > > > MY entire initial post consisted of only my suggestion on how > > to best > > > > > > > > and most quickly reduce and limit the illegal immigration > > problem. > > > > > > > > Then the lads all started screaming and crying. > > > > > > > > > Rather nice attempt at diversion on your part. Now, what do you > > think > > > > > > > > of the proposal I laid out in the initial post. I mean as you > > are such > > > > > > > > an advocate of reading carefully and with thoroughness. > > > > > > > > > Ciao > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:00 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Holly, Holly, Holly....... > > > > > > > > > > As I have pointed out to you on numerous occasions, you > > should always read > > > > > > > > > the posts by thinking, well read, conservative Americans > > several times > > > > > > > > > before responding. > > > > > > > > > > Zeb and Bruce both are not advocating that laws be broken, or > > that illegal > > > > > > > > > immigrants should not be prosecuted. Just the opposite is > > true. Bruce, > > > > > > > > > and I imagine Zeb also concurs, would like to see much less > > laws in this > > > > > > > > > Nation, but that is getting off of the point of illegal > > immigration, and a > > > > > > > > > federal government who asked all Americans to forego their > > civil liberties > > > > > > > > > in the name of National Security, when at the same time, our > > federal > > > > > > > > > government refused to secure our national borders, allowing > > for anyone, to > > > > > > > > > include folks who frequently sport dirty laundry on their > > heads, to enter > > > > > > > > > our Nation, without any accountability. > > > > > > > > > > Further, Bruce, like most thinking Americans and all > > conservatives, finds it > > > > > > > > > repulsive that we, as taxpayers, are footing the bill for > > these illegal > > > > > > > > > aliens, predominately from Mexico, to include their health > > care, the > > > > > > > > > schooling of their children, their food subsidies, and their > > criminal > > > > > > > > > mischief and what that causes to our society both fiscally > > and socially. > > > > > > > > > > These are not racist sentiments, nor is there any of the > > conservatives that > > > > > > > > > I know of, who are Anti-Mexican. No one wants to curtail any > > individual or > > > > > > > > > their family from wanting to better themselves, their > > families, or to > > > > > > > > > prohibit anyone from prospering. Of course, it is hard for > > me to understand > > > > > > > > > why these folks are not in their own Nation demanding that a > > corrupt > > > > > > > > > government start addressing the poverty; the lack of > > services; the neglect > > > > > > > > > of an infrastructure, especially with a land that is ripe > > with natural > > > > > > > > > resources and a vibrant labor pool, but as most socialists > > and > > > > > > > > > liberals believe, these folks think that America owes them > > something, and I, > > > > > > > > > like many thinking, conservative Americans resent that. I > > tend to believe > > > > > > > > > that Bruce and Zeb do also. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Hollywood < > > [email protected]>wrote: > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
