Holly, You are living in a dream world. The Cities of San Francisco, New York, Seattle, Portland, and a host of other municipalities have basically told the federal government to stick it! It is not a question of State Law or municipal ordinance trumping federal law, it is a question of muncipalities not enforcing and outright ignoring their enforcement obligations.
This backfired in San Francisco on numerous occasions, here is but one example from a year ago when the City released a murdering thug who killed a man and his two sons. No outcry from major media, (except FOX News) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387722,00.html Monday, July 21, 2008 *A San Francisco woman whose husband and two sons were gunned down last month — allegedly by an illegal immigrant who remained in the city despite previous crimes — is demanding the city do something about its sanctuary law.* Danielle Bologna was widowed on June 22 when Edwin Ramos, 21, an illegal immigrant from El Salvador, allegedly gunned down her husband, Anthony, and two sons, Matthew and Michael, in a road rage incident when her family was returning from a picnic. Ramos has been charged with three counts of murder in the case, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. "It was a senseless crime, and had they done something this animal would not have taken my family," Bologna told FOX News on Monday. "I feel that the government should have stepped in. I feel that they allow these immigrants to come in and how dare they strip our families like this." The Chronicle reported that Ramos was convicted of two gang-related felonies while a juvenile and remained in San Francisco because the Juvenile Probation Department did not alert federal authorities. San Francisco's 1989 "City of Refuge" ordinance prohibits city agencies from contacting the feds on immigration matters. The newspaper also found that federal officials knew about Ramos' immigration status in March when he was arrested on a gun charge, though they couldn't tell the Chronicle why they didn't put an immigration hold on Ramos. Bologna blames the city. "It should have been resolved at the beginning, when this guy had done more than one crime in the city," she told FOX News. "I want justice. I want the people to see: If my family wasn’t safe, what makes you think yours will be?" On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > Zeb, > > Bullshit. Since when does local or state laws supercede Federal law? > If the Feds cite a local or state law as the reason thay can't do > something it's because that's what they want to do and are using the > local or state law as an excuse for not doing the job. > > On Jul 13, 10:19 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Look Holly, this stuff is no big secret. Democrat cities like NYC or > > San Francisco actually prevent government agencies form reporting > > illegal aliens to authorities. The rationale for this is that they > > won't report crime to the police or take their children to clinics, > > etc., for fear of being deported. Lefties don't even refer to them as > > ILLEGAL ALIENS, they call them "immigrants." Personally, the "crisis" > > that guys coming up from Mexico to cut lawns and do dishes present > > ranks just below the "crisis" that we're just about to burn up the > > planet because of the pollution from our expelled breath. > > > > On Jul 12, 12:06 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > The ACLU is stopping the INS from enforcing the laws against hiring > > > illegal immigrants? How, when, where? Show me the proof. I don't give > > > the slightest fuck WHO is stopping the enforcement of the laws, my > > > suggestion was to ignore such opposition and enforce the damn law. > > > Don't give a fuck who is calling enforcing the law "racist". You > > > telling me the INS is saying "oh, we can't enforce the law someone > > > might think it's racist"? So, if I'm stopped for speeding and a black > > > or latino cop pulls me over all I have to do is call his actions > > > racist and I won't get a ticket? BULLSHIT. > > > Give me a link showing the court order forbidding the INS, a federal > > > agency, to enforce laws regarding the hiring of illegal workers. > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:53 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Your "criticism" of corporations is stating the obvious. SO FUCKING > > > > WHAT?? Who is stopping the enforcement of immigration laws? Who calls > > > > them racist? ASSHOLES on the left, thats who. > > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:46 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > And you lack the cajones to even breath a suggestion of what even > > > > > might be construed as criticism of American corporations concerning > > > > > the issue of illegal immigration. Hasn't this thread PROVEN that? > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:41 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You wouldn't have the balls to try to fight such as the ACLU over > > > > > > enforcing immigration laws. > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:18 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > Oh please. Both pissed in their pants and stated talking about > "right > > > > > > > and wrong" instead of obeying immigration laws. bruce started > to cry > > > > > > > about "people should be free to work and live where they like". > > > > > > > Apparently he considers crossing the border illegally without > proper > > > > > > > papers to be a mere technicality. All the sudden these illegal > > > > > > > immigrants became "visitors". > > > > > > > > > And just when did all this loving concern for the illegal > immigrants > > > > > > > begin? About one minute after I suggested that a good way to > stop > > > > > > > illegal immigration would be to dry up the jobs which they are > coming > > > > > > > here to obtain by applying significant punishment to the > companies > > > > > > > that illegally hire them. > > > > > > > > > Let me guess which are the laws those two want lessened? Could > it > > > > > > > possibly be in the area of punishing corporations for breaking > > > > > > > immigration laws to the extent of actually improving the > situation? > > > > > > > > > Tell me, just where in my post did I suggest ANYTHING other > than > > > > > > > deported captured illegal immigrants? Tell be where I argued > with ANY > > > > > > > of the posted stats concerning what you illegal immigrants cosy > our > > > > > > > society and tax-payers? WHERE? > > > > > > > > > MY entire initial post consisted of only my suggestion on how > to best > > > > > > > and most quickly reduce and limit the illegal immigration > problem. > > > > > > > Then the lads all started screaming and crying. > > > > > > > > > Rather nice attempt at diversion on your part. Now, what do you > think > > > > > > > of the proposal I laid out in the initial post. I mean as you > are such > > > > > > > an advocate of reading carefully and with thoroughness. > > > > > > > > > Ciao > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:00 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Holly, Holly, Holly....... > > > > > > > > > > As I have pointed out to you on numerous occasions, you > should always read > > > > > > > > the posts by thinking, well read, conservative Americans > several times > > > > > > > > before responding. > > > > > > > > > > Zeb and Bruce both are not advocating that laws be broken, or > that illegal > > > > > > > > immigrants should not be prosecuted. Just the opposite is > true. Bruce, > > > > > > > > and I imagine Zeb also concurs, would like to see much less > laws in this > > > > > > > > Nation, but that is getting off of the point of illegal > immigration, and a > > > > > > > > federal government who asked all Americans to forego their > civil liberties > > > > > > > > in the name of National Security, when at the same time, our > federal > > > > > > > > government refused to secure our national borders, allowing > for anyone, to > > > > > > > > include folks who frequently sport dirty laundry on their > heads, to enter > > > > > > > > our Nation, without any accountability. > > > > > > > > > > Further, Bruce, like most thinking Americans and all > conservatives, finds it > > > > > > > > repulsive that we, as taxpayers, are footing the bill for > these illegal > > > > > > > > aliens, predominately from Mexico, to include their health > care, the > > > > > > > > schooling of their children, their food subsidies, and their > criminal > > > > > > > > mischief and what that causes to our society both fiscally > and socially. > > > > > > > > > > These are not racist sentiments, nor is there any of the > conservatives that > > > > > > > > I know of, who are Anti-Mexican. No one wants to curtail any > individual or > > > > > > > > their family from wanting to better themselves, their > families, or to > > > > > > > > prohibit anyone from prospering. Of course, it is hard for > me to understand > > > > > > > > why these folks are not in their own Nation demanding that a > corrupt > > > > > > > > government start addressing the poverty; the lack of > services; the neglect > > > > > > > > of an infrastructure, especially with a land that is ripe > with natural > > > > > > > > resources and a vibrant labor pool, but as most socialists > and > > > > > > > > liberals believe, these folks think that America owes them > something, and I, > > > > > > > > like many thinking, conservative Americans resent that. I > tend to believe > > > > > > > > that Bruce and Zeb do also. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Hollywood < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > First thing I learned about the law was that in many cases > it has > > > > > > > > > nothing whatsoever to do with justice. You sound like a > little kid > > > > > > > > > crying to mama that "it's just not FAIR!!!". Check into > Hotel Reality > > > > > > > > > lad. > > > > > > > > > I hate to be the one to have to break this to you, it > saddens me > > > > > > > > > somewhat to burst your little bubble. Oh yeah, and Santa > Claus is also > > > > > > > > > not real. > > > > > > > > > > > Tell me lad, who's version of "justice" would you like to > measure > > > > > > > > > everything against? > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:10 pm, bruce majors <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes and as we all know law and justice are identical > aren't they > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Hollywood < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, they are called LAWS. Duuuuuuh..... > > > > > > > > > > > Ya' think the FBI would give the slightest fuck if I > were to decide I > > > > > > > > > > > have the RIGHT to rob a bank? OR the INS if I think > it's RIGHT to > > > > > > > > > > > ignore our immigration laws? Feel free to do what you > think is right > > > > > > > > > > > lad, just be prepared to take the consequences if the > law in this > > > > > > > > > > > country runs counter to what you think is right. > > > > > > > > > > > Guess what? Some radical Islamics think it is right and > moral to > > > > > > > > > > > strangle their daughter for wearing a mini-skirt. Here > in St. Louis we > > > > > > > > > > > called that murder and arrest your sorry ass. > > > > > > > > > > > My, my, bruce defending Islamic nut-jobs because they > are only doing > > > > > > > > > > > what they think is right and moral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:49 am, bruce majors < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a more abstract discussion than that Holly > > > > > > > > > > > > You believe that what governments say is important > and has something > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > with what is wrong or right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You believe they are the source of rights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Hollywood < > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I visit Mexico I do it legally. It's not > called a "visit" when > > > > > > > > > > > > > you cross a border illegally. My, my look at all > the conservatives > > > > > > > > > > > > > defending illegal aliens and encouraging the > violation of American > > > > > > > > > law > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sovereignty. What has suddenly happened to you > lads? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:33 am, bruce majors < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > States don't have a right to tell non-violent > people where they > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If someone invites them to visit they should be > able to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Hollywood < > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, just so long as they do it LEGALLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you really do NOT want to > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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