VT , you are the fool I always thought you were. Unless you have information that the standards or documentation in Hawaii were different in 1959 that they are now, then you have NOTHING to add, as usual.
The documents you provided prove nothing. Nothing is good enough for you. That's why you voted for Obama. Have a nice day! :) On Jul 16, 10:06 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> wrote: > That is EXACTLY what I thought, you are using TODAY's > standards without knowing the standards of 1959 for Black American > births. > > When you can post the standards of 1959 for Black American births > in Hawaii, THEN we can address your rebuttal. Until then I will go > with > the official certified documents I just provided. > > Have a nice day..... > > On Jul 16, 10:00 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I will ask a single question. Why has the President of the United > > States spent close to $1 million blocking access to records of his > > birth place, medical records and school records.? > > > As to your "question", if you have some information proving that a > > Certification was equivalent to a Certificate in 1959 in Hawaii, > > present it. Otherwise keep your ridiculous insinuations to yourself. > > > On Jul 16, 9:48 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I will ask a single question, are these current standards or > > > standards in use for Black American Births in Hawaii in 1959? > > > > On Jul 16, 9:42 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Nice try Wimpy. That is a CertifcaTION of live Birth as opposed to a > > > > CetifiCATE of Live Birth. Read the difference below, Junior. > > > > > Q: Is a certification of live birth the same thing as a birth > > > > certificate in Hawaii? > > > > > Answer: They are two different documents. > > > > > A "Certification of Live Birth" is a short form birth certificate. The > > > > information included in the document may differ from state to state. A > > > > "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii will include the name and > > > > sex of the person, date of birth, hour of birth, island of birth, > > > > county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name, > > > > father's race, date accepted by registrar, a certificate number and > > > > seal. The seal may be different depending on the year it was printed. > > > > > A Birth Certificate, or "Certificate of Live Birth," is the long form > > > > birth certificate and contains more detailed information, including > > > > signatures of doctor(s), witnesses, vital statistics (length and > > > > weight), etc. > > > > > According to the Department of Hawaiian Homelands: > > > > > "In order to process your application (to verify that you are a > > > > genuine native Hawaiian), DHHL utilizes information that is found only > > > > on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or > > > > green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the > > > > Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). > > > > Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time > > > > and money since the computer-generated Certification requires > > > > additional verification by DHHL." > > > > > Per Hawaiian law, Statue 338.13, any certified copies of the original > > > > document can serve the same purpose as the original document. > > > > > "(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the > > > > department, certified by the department shall be considered for all > > > > purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of > > > > sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18." > > > > > Usually the certification is stamped and signed on the lower reverse > > > > side of the document and says "I certify this is a true copy or > > > > abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of > > > > Health." > > > > > On Jul 16, 9:25 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/obamas-certificatio... > > > > > > On Jul 16, 9:12 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > As soon as you tell us why Obama won't produce his birth > > > > > > certificate. > > > > > > Can you say "Kenyan?" > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 8:51 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Unfortunately the history of the Bush Administration contradicts > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > opinion. If this was never implemented, why was so much money > > > > > > > spent? > > > > > > > Why was it closed and then reopened? Answer those questions > > > > > > > please. > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 8:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sugarshack, > > > > > > > > > What I find a bit ironic, is this whole, "Alex Jones-ish/Wacko > > > > > > > > Right, > > > > > > > > Conspiratorialist Crackpot" type mentality, that is coming from > > > > > > > > the "Wacko > > > > > > > > Left, Socialist-Elitist Moonbats". > > > > > > > > > There was no covert attempt to take out al Queda leaders, there > > > > > > > > was a plan, > > > > > > > > which was never initiated or carried through. > > > > > > > > > There was a plan to invade Japan with American forces back in > > > > > > > > 1942-1943, > > > > > > > > that was not carried out either. There was a plan to invade > > > > > > > > Cuba with > > > > > > > > poisoned rabbits that was never carried out. There have been > > > > > > > > numerous plans > > > > > > > > discussed. > > > > > > > > > What is the big deal, other than Nanc, Harry, Di-Fi, Babs, > > > > > > > > Rahm, and a host > > > > > > > > of other socialists want to detract from the largest tax > > > > > > > > increase that has > > > > > > > > ever been put into place upon the American people, the economy > > > > > > > > is failing > > > > > > > > miserably, and the Obama Administration is attempting to > > > > > > > > re-write our whole > > > > > > > > way of life, our style of government and economics, etc., and > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > nothing more, and nothing less than another mechanism to > > > > > > > > detract the > > > > > > > > American people's attention. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:34 PM, VT VirtualTruth > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK Sage WHY did Cheney then say to the CIA NOT > > > > > > > > > to inform Congress when the article said the Bush > > > > > > > > > Administration WOULD keep Congress in the loop? > > > > > > > > > > Under current intelligence law, the president must sign a > > > > > > > > > finding to > > > > > > > > > provide the legal basis for covert actions to be carried out > > > > > > > > > by the > > > > > > > > > C.I.A. In response to past abuses, the decision-making > > > > > > > > > process has > > > > > > > > > grown into a highly formalized review in which the White > > > > > > > > > House, > > > > > > > > > Justice Department, State Department, Pentagon and C.I.A. > > > > > > > > > take part. > > > > > > > > > > The administration must notify Congressional leaders of any > > > > > > > > > covert > > > > > > > > > action finding signed by the president. In the case of the > > > > > > > > > presidential finding authorizing the use of lethal force > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > members of Al Qaeda, Congressional leaders have been notified > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > required, the officials said. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 5:51 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > VT try again: > > > > > > > > > >www.nytimes.com/2002/12/15/international/15INTE.html?pagewanted=2 > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 5:19 pm, VT VirtualTruth > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The link did not work, something about a seven day period. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 10:38 am, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > VT, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it that you and your liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > friends are lying > > > > > > > > > > > > about this. It is obviously a political cover for > > > > > > > > > > > > Pelosi's > > > > > > > > > > > > accusations. Read the attached link that the NYT > > > > > > > > > > > > published in Dec. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2002. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.nytimes.com/2002/12/15/international/15INTE...... > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 10:03 am, plainolamerican > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find no reason to > > > > > > > > > > > > > hide the killing of Al qaeda leaders from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congressional over sight Committee Chairman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do and so did Cheney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, the military was given a green light to kill our > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies but > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > the CIA? > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's insanity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 7:32 pm, VT VirtualTruth > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure? Because I find no reason to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hide the killing of Al qaeda leaders from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congressional over sight Committee Chairman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bush said this was the objective PUBLICLY in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speeches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 8:25 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The plan was to kill the al Queda leaders, not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > supporters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 8:21 pm, VT Sean Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday I asked myself a question, what would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make an Al > > > > > > > > > qaeda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hit team illegal? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A hit team that killed prominent foreigners in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > countries who supported or helped finance Al > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qaeda? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought.....- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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