Hmm, Zebnick seems to do nothing but comes here and criticize and insult people. I guess that the best some people have to offer. Kinda in their character. Anyone see a pattern here?
On Jul 16, 7:13 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > VT , you are the fool I always thought you were. Unless you have > information that the standards or documentation in Hawaii were > different in 1959 that they are now, then you have NOTHING to add, as > usual. > > The documents you provided prove nothing. Nothing is good enough for > you. That's why you voted for Obama. > > Have a nice day! :) > > On Jul 16, 10:06 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > That is EXACTLY what I thought, you are using TODAY's > > standards without knowing the standards of 1959 for Black American > > births. > > > When you can post the standards of 1959 for Black American births > > in Hawaii, THEN we can address your rebuttal. Until then I will go > > with > > the official certified documents I just provided. > > > Have a nice day..... > > > On Jul 16, 10:00 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I will ask a single question. Why has the President of the United > > > States spent close to $1 million blocking access to records of his > > > birth place, medical records and school records.? > > > > As to your "question", if you have some information proving that a > > > Certification was equivalent to a Certificate in 1959 in Hawaii, > > > present it. Otherwise keep your ridiculous insinuations to yourself. > > > > On Jul 16, 9:48 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I will ask a single question, are these current standards or > > > > standards in use for Black American Births in Hawaii in 1959? > > > > > On Jul 16, 9:42 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Nice try Wimpy. That is a CertifcaTION of live Birth as opposed to a > > > > > CetifiCATE of Live Birth. Read the difference below, Junior. > > > > > > Q: Is a certification of live birth the same thing as a birth > > > > > certificate in Hawaii? > > > > > > Answer: They are two different documents. > > > > > > A "Certification of Live Birth" is a short form birth certificate. The > > > > > information included in the document may differ from state to state. A > > > > > "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii will include the name and > > > > > sex of the person, date of birth, hour of birth, island of birth, > > > > > county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name, > > > > > father's race, date accepted by registrar, a certificate number and > > > > > seal. The seal may be different depending on the year it was printed. > > > > > > A Birth Certificate, or "Certificate of Live Birth," is the long form > > > > > birth certificate and contains more detailed information, including > > > > > signatures of doctor(s), witnesses, vital statistics (length and > > > > > weight), etc. > > > > > > According to the Department of Hawaiian Homelands: > > > > > > "In order to process your application (to verify that you are a > > > > > genuine native Hawaiian), DHHL utilizes information that is found only > > > > > on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or > > > > > green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the > > > > > Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). > > > > > Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time > > > > > and money since the computer-generated Certification requires > > > > > additional verification by DHHL." > > > > > > Per Hawaiian law, Statue 338.13, any certified copies of the original > > > > > document can serve the same purpose as the original document. > > > > > > "(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the > > > > > department, certified by the department shall be considered for all > > > > > purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of > > > > > sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18." > > > > > > Usually the certification is stamped and signed on the lower reverse > > > > > side of the document and says "I certify this is a true copy or > > > > > abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of > > > > > Health." > > > > > > On Jul 16, 9:25 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/obamas-certificatio... > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 9:12 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > As soon as you tell us why Obama won't produce his birth > > > > > > > certificate. > > > > > > > Can you say "Kenyan?" > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 8:51 pm, VT VirtualTruth <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately the history of the Bush Administration > > > > > > > > contradicts your > > > > > > > > opinion. If this was never implemented, why was so much money > > > > > > > > spent? > > > > > > > > Why was it closed and then reopened? Answer those questions > > > > > > > > please. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 8:43 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sugarshack, > > > > > > > > > > What I find a bit ironic, is this whole, "Alex > > > > > > > > > Jones-ish/Wacko Right, > > > > > > > > > Conspiratorialist Crackpot" type mentality, that is coming > > > > > > > > > from the "Wacko > > > > > > > > > Left, Socialist-Elitist Moonbats". > > > > > > > > > > There was no covert attempt to take out al Queda leaders, > > > > > > > > > there was a plan, > > > > > > > > > which was never initiated or carried through. > > > > > > > > > > There was a plan to invade Japan with American forces back in > > > > > > > > > 1942-1943, > > > > > > > > > that was not carried out either. There was a plan to invade > > > > > > > > > Cuba with > > > > > > > > > poisoned rabbits that was never carried out. There have been > > > > > > > > > numerous plans > > > > > > > > > discussed. > > > > > > > > > > What is the big deal, other than Nanc, Harry, Di-Fi, Babs, > > > > > > > > > Rahm, and a host > > > > > > > > > of other socialists want to detract from the largest tax > > > > > > > > > increase that has > > > > > > > > > ever been put into place upon the American people, the > > > > > > > > > economy is failing > > > > > > > > > miserably, and the Obama Administration is attempting to > > > > > > > > > re-write our whole > > > > > > > > > way of life, our style of government and economics, etc., and > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > nothing more, and nothing less than another mechanism to > > > > > > > > > detract the > > > > > > > > > American people's attention. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:34 PM, VT VirtualTruth > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > OK Sage WHY did Cheney then say to the CIA NOT > > > > > > > > > > to inform Congress when the article said the Bush > > > > > > > > > > Administration WOULD keep Congress in the loop? > > > > > > > > > > > Under current intelligence law, the president must sign a > > > > > > > > > > finding to > > > > > > > > > > provide the legal basis for covert actions to be carried > > > > > > > > > > out by the > > > > > > > > > > C.I.A. In response to past abuses, the decision-making > > > > > > > > > > process has > > > > > > > > > > grown into a highly formalized review in which the White > > > > > > > > > > House, > > > > > > > > > > Justice Department, State Department, Pentagon and C.I.A. > > > > > > > > > > take part. > > > > > > > > > > > The administration must notify Congressional leaders of any > > > > > > > > > > covert > > > > > > > > > > action finding signed by the president. In the case of the > > > > > > > > > > presidential finding authorizing the use of lethal force > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > members of Al Qaeda, Congressional leaders have been > > > > > > > > > > notified as > > > > > > > > > > required, the officials said. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 5:51 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > VT try again: > > > > > > > > > > >www.nytimes.com/2002/12/15/international/15INTE.html?pagewanted=2 > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 5:19 pm, VT VirtualTruth > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The link did not work, something about a seven day > > > > > > > > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 10:38 am, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VT, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it that you and your liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends are lying > > > > > > > > > > > > > about this. It is obviously a political cover for > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pelosi's > > > > > > > > > > > > > accusations. Read the attached link that the NYT > > > > > > > > > > > > > published in Dec. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2002. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.nytimes.com/2002/12/15/international/15INTE...... > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 10:03 am, plainolamerican > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find no reason to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hide the killing of Al qaeda leaders from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congressional over sight Committee Chairman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do and so did Cheney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, the military was given a green light to kill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our enemies but > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the CIA? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's insanity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 7:32 pm, VT VirtualTruth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure? Because I find no reason to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hide the killing of Al qaeda leaders from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congressional over sight Committee Chairman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bush said this was the objective PUBLICLY in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speeches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 8:25 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The plan was to kill the al Queda leaders, not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > supporters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 8:21 pm, VT Sean Lewis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday I asked myself > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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