dick,

Nonesense.

I have pointed out that no one has submitted one of these scary lesson
plan guides.. Only what conservative bloggers, etc. have CLAIMED what
they consist of and/or REALLY mean.

I have pointed out that no teacher is REQUIRED to do jack-shit, only
suggestions have been made and refuted the usage of the word "forced"
by conservatives. Haven't seen anyone refute that.

I have asked how "they", the Obama administration "controls" the
teachers unions. No response to that either.

No teacher is REQUIRED to even have his/her students watch the speech.
No one has challenged that statement.





On Sep 3, 1:02 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
> You have said nothing except that anyone who disagrees with you is
> talking BS.  Personally I think you are the one with the BS.  I did deal
> with the issue very completely but you fail to see what any sane person
> sees with this admin.
>
>
>
> Hollywood wrote:
> > dick,
>
> > Hold up on the hysterical partisan ranting and deal with THIS issue
> > and what you and I have said about it.
>
> > Your talking bullshit and if you'd calm down you'd realize that. I'm
> > not impressed by the Glenn Beck immitation.
> > "They don't tell the teachers what to do" That's right they don't , so
> > what are you riled up about?
> > "They control the Teacher union". Who does and how?
>
> > On Sep 3, 11:01 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Remember all the talk about pragmatism in this president and we were
> >> overreacting last fall before the election?  Look at what this POS admin
> >> has done so far and tell me I am overreacting.  This is a crew who
> >> thinks nothing matters but what they want.  You don't matter, your kids
> >> don't matter, the country doesn't matter; only Zero matters and what he
> >> wants to see done.  They are pulling all the various activities into the
> >> WH with their czars, they are now telling companies how much they can
> >> pay people, they are naming people who are on record as being for
> >> euthanasia and eugenics and doing away with the Hippocratic Oath - and
> >> tell me I am over-reacting?  Open your eyes and see what is really going
> >> on.  Do you think they are doing all this for the laughs and just for
> >> something to do?
>
> >> Now you are changing the slant.  They don't tell the teachers what to do
> >> but they send out the curricula to the teachers and they control the
> >> teachers unions.  What do you think the teacher will do.  I don't have
> >> to do this but if I don't I can kiss goodbye to any chance to get into
> >> admin or get transferred to the good school.  That is the message here.  
> >> Alarmist, hysterical nonsense be damned.  These people are serious about
> >> this krep they are pulling and you sit there and think it is nothing.
>
> >> They pull something, it gets massively complained about, it gets pulled
> >> back and we hear that someone did it without authorization and that
> >> someone gets fired and then given another good job.  Over and over
> >> again.  Their whole MO.  This is the crew that said the returning
> >> military veterans were a threat to the country.  Did you complain about
> >> that one?  Wake up, fool!
>
> >> Hollywood wrote:
>
> >>> dick,
>
> >>> You are seriously over-reacting and the comparisons of President Obama
> >>> to Hitler, talk of "Brownshirts" etc, is alarmist, hysterical
> >>> nonsense.
>
> >>> I repeat, SHOW ME WHERE ANY TEACHER WILL BE FORCED TO SHOW THIS TO HER/
> >>> HIS CLASS.
>
> >>> On Sep 3, 9:20 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>> I told you before.  I do not want the president asking the children to
> >>>> help him when the message is given in the schools.  What he should be
> >>>> doing is asking the parents to help see that their kids get educated.  
> >>>> Wrong place to reach out to.  It smacks far too much of the personality
> >>>> cult.
>
> >>>> He asks them what they can do for him rather than what they can do to
> >>>> help themselves and their country.  He is not the country.  While I am
> >>>> not a fan of the Kennedy clan, JFK did make a definite point in his
> >>>> speech about ask not.  Zero is making it personal.  That is specifically
> >>>> the problem I see with this.  The whole thrust of this lesson plan is
> >>>> the problem.  If you cannot see that, then you are ripe for wearing your
> >>>> uniform and doing your Sieg Heil salute.
>
> >>>> Hollywood wrote:
>
> >>>>> dick,
>
> >>>>> But I did. What specific problems do you have with it?
>
> >>>>> On Sep 2, 7:36 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> you obviously didn't read the study guide that was passed out by the
> >>>>>> Dept of Ed to go along with this speech.
>
> >>>>>> Hollywood wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> d.b.
>
> >>>>>>> WOW, what a terrible thing to do. To actually encourage young people
> >>>>>>> to work hard, set goals for themselves and take responsibility WHY,
> >>>>>>> THAT MAN IS A MONSTER!
>
> >>>>>>> On Sep 2, 7:25 pm, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> [Q] - President Barack Obama's plans for a televised back-to-school
> >>>>>>>> address to students next week are drawing fire from some
> >>>>>>>> conservatives, who say he's just trying to indoctrinate them to his
> >>>>>>>> political beliefs.
>
> >>>>>>>> In the Sept. 8 speech, Obama will challenge students to work hard, 
> >>>>>>>> set
> >>>>>>>> goals for their education and take responsibility for their learning,
> >>>>>>>> Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a letter to principals.
>
> >>>>>>>> The Education Department is encouraging teachers to create lesson
> >>>>>>>> plans around the speech, using materials provided on the department
> >>>>>>>> website, that urge students to learn about Obama and other
> >>>>>>>> presidents...
>
> >>>>>>>> The chairman of the Florida Republican Party is condemning Obama's
> >>>>>>>> speech as an attempt to "indoctrinate America's children to his
> >>>>>>>> socialist agenda."
>
> >>>>>>>> "The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to
> >>>>>>>> watch the President justify his plans for government-run health care,
> >>>>>>>> banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create
> >>>>>>>> jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only
> >>>>>>>> infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans,
> >>>>>>>> while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power,"
> >>>>>>>> Chairman Jim Greer said in a press release.
>
> >>>>>>>> Added conservative talk show host Tammy Bruce, in a Twitter feed:
> >>>>>>>> "Make September 8 Parentally Approved Skip Day. You are your child's
> >>>>>>>> moral tutor, not that shady lawyer from Chicago." And conservative
> >>>>>>>> author Michelle Malkin said the lesson plans have a "heavy activist
> >>>>>>>> bent." --http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26711.html
>
> >>>>>>>> Just what the kids need, a serial BS'er stalking their schools.
> >>>>>>>> Besides, aren't the union teachers enough? I mean, how much bullshit
> >>>>>>>> can any kid take.
>
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