dick,
YOU do not decide what the POTUS SHOULD say. Thank God. On Sep 4, 11:55 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > I have responded several times. You just aren't bright enough to see > what is in front of you, I guess. > > Just from the MO of Zero, he will say things that skirt the limits of > what should be said and then the lesson plans will finish the job of > indoctrinating. That way he has deniability and a finger to point at > the Dept of Ed if he gets in trouble for the speech. He considers that > a win-win. He has been doing that to his own people since he started > campaigning. > > Loved the comment from the libs that he should have given the speech and > then passed out the lesson plans. That way nobody could have > complained. Then there was also the comment that Reagan and Bush I both > talked to the students. Difference was that they did not send out > lesson plans, they talked to actual students and they spoke in one > school and CSPAN chose to broadcast the speech. Zero is not doing any > of those things. Pure indoctrination. > > > > Hollywood wrote: > > dick, > > > Nothing else to say regarding the post of mine you are partially > > responding to? > > > On Sep 3, 4:07 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html > > >> Check the Classroom activities, and the frequently asked questions. > >> Sent it before. This is from the Dept of Education. > > >> Check what is in the Classroom activities with what was mentioned > >> before. They are changing them because of all the complaints about the > >> slant that was taken and the pdf might have changed already. > > >> Hollywood wrote: > > >>> dick, > > >>> I don't see a guide from the Education Dept. that you sent. Please > >>> send me the link to that again. > > >>> ALL lobby organizations send political contributions to political > >>> parties, the most to the parties they believe will advance their > >>> particular agenda. What would make the Teacher's Union different from > >>> a Manufacturer's lobby, or the Agribusiness lobby or anyone else? I'm > >>> all for making ANY and ALL contributions ILLEGAL attempts to bribe > >>> public officials. > > >>> You can claim pretty much anything REALLY means something else if you > >>> wish to. proving it is a horse of a different color. > > >>> Really? Exactly who is it that controls promotions and transfers > >>> within a given school district? Is it the Federal Dept. Of Education? > >>> Is it the local school Board? Is it the local Teacher's Union, based > >>> on seniority & other factors? Are you trying to tell me that if an > >>> individual teacher in St. Louis wishes to transfer to a different > >>> school with the St. Luis District the decision is made by the Dept. of > >>> Education in Washington, D.C? Is that was you're saying? > > >>> On Sep 3, 2:11 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> The guide I sent was from the Dept of Education itself. That is the one > >>>> they sent out originally and the one they are now revising because of > >>>> all the complaints. You are not paying any attention at all, are you. > > >>>> Why do you think the teachers unions give so much money and assistance > >>>> to the administration unless there is a quid pro quo. You really don't > >>>> think beyond what the words say to what they are really meaning, do > >>>> you. It is like the boss suggest that this section of a report might > >>>> need some review. What he is saying is that you need to change that > >>>> section. This is the same principle. > > >>>> Of course they will not say it is REQUIRED. What they mean though is > >>>> that if you want consideration for promotion or transfer to a better > >>>> position you had damned well better have the students watch the speech > >>>> and you had damned well better follow the curriculum. > > >>>> Hollywood wrote: > > >>>>> dick, > > >>>>> Nonesense. > > >>>>> I have pointed out that no one has submitted one of these scary lesson > >>>>> plan guides.. Only what conservative bloggers, etc. have CLAIMED what > >>>>> they consist of and/or REALLY mean. > > >>>>> I have pointed out that no teacher is REQUIRED to do jack-shit, only > >>>>> suggestions have been made and refuted the usage of the word "forced" > >>>>> by conservatives. Haven't seen anyone refute that. > > >>>>> I have asked how "they", the Obama administration "controls" the > >>>>> teachers unions. No response to that either. > > >>>>> No teacher is REQUIRED to even have his/her students watch the speech. > >>>>> No one has challenged that statement. > > >>>>> On Sep 3, 1:02 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> You have said nothing except that anyone who disagrees with you is > >>>>>> talking BS. Personally I think you are the one with the BS. I did > >>>>>> deal > >>>>>> with the issue very completely but you fail to see what any sane person > >>>>>> sees with this admin. > > >>>>>> Hollywood wrote: > > >>>>>>> dick, > > >>>>>>> Hold up on the hysterical partisan ranting and deal with THIS issue > >>>>>>> and what you and I have said about it. > > >>>>>>> Your talking bullshit and if you'd calm down you'd realize that. I'm > >>>>>>> not impressed by the Glenn Beck immitation. > >>>>>>> "They don't tell the teachers what to do" That's right they don't , so > >>>>>>> what are you riled up about? > >>>>>>> "They control the Teacher union". Who does and how? > > >>>>>>> On Sep 3, 11:01 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Remember all the talk about pragmatism in this president and we were > >>>>>>>> overreacting last fall before the election? Look at what this POS > >>>>>>>> admin > >>>>>>>> has done so far and tell me I am overreacting. This is a crew who > >>>>>>>> thinks nothing matters but what they want. You don't matter, your > >>>>>>>> kids > >>>>>>>> don't matter, the country doesn't matter; only Zero matters and what > >>>>>>>> he > >>>>>>>> wants to see done. They are pulling all the various activities into > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> WH with their czars, they are now telling companies how much they can > >>>>>>>> pay people, they are naming people who are on record as being for > >>>>>>>> euthanasia and eugenics and doing away with the Hippocratic Oath - > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> tell me I am over-reacting? Open your eyes and see what is really > >>>>>>>> going > >>>>>>>> on. Do you think they are doing all this for the laughs and just for > >>>>>>>> something to do? > > >>>>>>>> Now you are changing the slant. They don't tell the teachers what > >>>>>>>> to do > >>>>>>>> but they send out the curricula to the teachers and they control the > >>>>>>>> teachers unions. What do you think the teacher will do. I don't > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> to do this but if I don't I can kiss goodbye to any chance to get > >>>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>> admin or get transferred to the good school. That is the message > >>>>>>>> here. > >>>>>>>> Alarmist, hysterical nonsense be damned. These people are serious > >>>>>>>> about > >>>>>>>> this krep they are pulling and you sit there and think it is nothing. > > >>>>>>>> They pull something, it gets massively complained about, it gets > >>>>>>>> pulled > >>>>>>>> back and we hear that someone did it without authorization and that > >>>>>>>> someone gets fired and then given another good job. Over and over > >>>>>>>> again. Their whole MO. This is the crew that said the returning > >>>>>>>> military veterans were a threat to the country. Did you complain > >>>>>>>> about > >>>>>>>> that one? Wake up, fool! > > >>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> dick, > > >>>>>>>>> You are seriously over-reacting and the comparisons of President > >>>>>>>>> Obama > >>>>>>>>> to Hitler, talk of "Brownshirts" etc, is alarmist, hysterical > >>>>>>>>> nonsense. > > >>>>>>>>> I repeat, SHOW ME WHERE ANY TEACHER WILL BE FORCED TO SHOW THIS TO > >>>>>>>>> HER/ > >>>>>>>>> HIS CLASS. > > >>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 9:20 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> I told you before. I do not want the president asking the > >>>>>>>>>> children to > >>>>>>>>>> help him when the message is given in the schools. What he should > >>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>> doing is asking the parents to help see that their kids get > >>>>>>>>>> educated. > >>>>>>>>>> Wrong place to reach out to. It smacks far too much of the > >>>>>>>>>> personality > >>>>>>>>>> cult. > > >>>>>>>>>> He asks them what they can do for him rather than what they can do > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> help themselves and their country. He is not the country. While > >>>>>>>>>> I am > >>>>>>>>>> not a fan of the Kennedy clan, JFK did make a definite point in his > >>>>>>>>>> speech about ask not. Zero is making it personal. That is > >>>>>>>>>> specifically > >>>>>>>>>> the problem I see with this. The whole thrust of this lesson plan > >>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> the problem. If you cannot see that, then you are ripe for > >>>>>>>>>> wearing your > >>>>>>>>>> uniform and doing your Sieg Heil salute. > > >>>>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> dick, > > >>>>>>>>>>> But I did. What specific problems do you have with it? > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 7:36 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> you obviously didn't read the study guide that was passed out by > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dept of Ed to go along with this speech. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> d.b. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> WOW, what a terrible thing to do. To actually encourage young > >>>>>>>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
