dick, Nothing else to say regarding the post of mine you are partially responding to?
On Sep 3, 4:07 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html > > Check the Classroom activities, and the frequently asked questions. > Sent it before. This is from the Dept of Education. > > Check what is in the Classroom activities with what was mentioned > before. They are changing them because of all the complaints about the > slant that was taken and the pdf might have changed already. > > > > Hollywood wrote: > > dick, > > > I don't see a guide from the Education Dept. that you sent. Please > > send me the link to that again. > > > ALL lobby organizations send political contributions to political > > parties, the most to the parties they believe will advance their > > particular agenda. What would make the Teacher's Union different from > > a Manufacturer's lobby, or the Agribusiness lobby or anyone else? I'm > > all for making ANY and ALL contributions ILLEGAL attempts to bribe > > public officials. > > > You can claim pretty much anything REALLY means something else if you > > wish to. proving it is a horse of a different color. > > > Really? Exactly who is it that controls promotions and transfers > > within a given school district? Is it the Federal Dept. Of Education? > > Is it the local school Board? Is it the local Teacher's Union, based > > on seniority & other factors? Are you trying to tell me that if an > > individual teacher in St. Louis wishes to transfer to a different > > school with the St. Luis District the decision is made by the Dept. of > > Education in Washington, D.C? Is that was you're saying? > > > On Sep 3, 2:11 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> The guide I sent was from the Dept of Education itself. That is the one > >> they sent out originally and the one they are now revising because of > >> all the complaints. You are not paying any attention at all, are you. > > >> Why do you think the teachers unions give so much money and assistance > >> to the administration unless there is a quid pro quo. You really don't > >> think beyond what the words say to what they are really meaning, do > >> you. It is like the boss suggest that this section of a report might > >> need some review. What he is saying is that you need to change that > >> section. This is the same principle. > > >> Of course they will not say it is REQUIRED. What they mean though is > >> that if you want consideration for promotion or transfer to a better > >> position you had damned well better have the students watch the speech > >> and you had damned well better follow the curriculum. > > >> Hollywood wrote: > > >>> dick, > > >>> Nonesense. > > >>> I have pointed out that no one has submitted one of these scary lesson > >>> plan guides.. Only what conservative bloggers, etc. have CLAIMED what > >>> they consist of and/or REALLY mean. > > >>> I have pointed out that no teacher is REQUIRED to do jack-shit, only > >>> suggestions have been made and refuted the usage of the word "forced" > >>> by conservatives. Haven't seen anyone refute that. > > >>> I have asked how "they", the Obama administration "controls" the > >>> teachers unions. No response to that either. > > >>> No teacher is REQUIRED to even have his/her students watch the speech. > >>> No one has challenged that statement. > > >>> On Sep 3, 1:02 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> You have said nothing except that anyone who disagrees with you is > >>>> talking BS. Personally I think you are the one with the BS. I did deal > >>>> with the issue very completely but you fail to see what any sane person > >>>> sees with this admin. > > >>>> Hollywood wrote: > > >>>>> dick, > > >>>>> Hold up on the hysterical partisan ranting and deal with THIS issue > >>>>> and what you and I have said about it. > > >>>>> Your talking bullshit and if you'd calm down you'd realize that. I'm > >>>>> not impressed by the Glenn Beck immitation. > >>>>> "They don't tell the teachers what to do" That's right they don't , so > >>>>> what are you riled up about? > >>>>> "They control the Teacher union". Who does and how? > > >>>>> On Sep 3, 11:01 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> Remember all the talk about pragmatism in this president and we were > >>>>>> overreacting last fall before the election? Look at what this POS > >>>>>> admin > >>>>>> has done so far and tell me I am overreacting. This is a crew who > >>>>>> thinks nothing matters but what they want. You don't matter, your kids > >>>>>> don't matter, the country doesn't matter; only Zero matters and what he > >>>>>> wants to see done. They are pulling all the various activities into > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> WH with their czars, they are now telling companies how much they can > >>>>>> pay people, they are naming people who are on record as being for > >>>>>> euthanasia and eugenics and doing away with the Hippocratic Oath - and > >>>>>> tell me I am over-reacting? Open your eyes and see what is really > >>>>>> going > >>>>>> on. Do you think they are doing all this for the laughs and just for > >>>>>> something to do? > > >>>>>> Now you are changing the slant. They don't tell the teachers what to > >>>>>> do > >>>>>> but they send out the curricula to the teachers and they control the > >>>>>> teachers unions. What do you think the teacher will do. I don't have > >>>>>> to do this but if I don't I can kiss goodbye to any chance to get into > >>>>>> admin or get transferred to the good school. That is the message > >>>>>> here. > >>>>>> Alarmist, hysterical nonsense be damned. These people are serious > >>>>>> about > >>>>>> this krep they are pulling and you sit there and think it is nothing. > > >>>>>> They pull something, it gets massively complained about, it gets pulled > >>>>>> back and we hear that someone did it without authorization and that > >>>>>> someone gets fired and then given another good job. Over and over > >>>>>> again. Their whole MO. This is the crew that said the returning > >>>>>> military veterans were a threat to the country. Did you complain about > >>>>>> that one? Wake up, fool! > > >>>>>> Hollywood wrote: > > >>>>>>> dick, > > >>>>>>> You are seriously over-reacting and the comparisons of President Obama > >>>>>>> to Hitler, talk of "Brownshirts" etc, is alarmist, hysterical > >>>>>>> nonsense. > > >>>>>>> I repeat, SHOW ME WHERE ANY TEACHER WILL BE FORCED TO SHOW THIS TO > >>>>>>> HER/ > >>>>>>> HIS CLASS. > > >>>>>>> On Sep 3, 9:20 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> I told you before. I do not want the president asking the children > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> help him when the message is given in the schools. What he should be > >>>>>>>> doing is asking the parents to help see that their kids get > >>>>>>>> educated. > >>>>>>>> Wrong place to reach out to. It smacks far too much of the > >>>>>>>> personality > >>>>>>>> cult. > > >>>>>>>> He asks them what they can do for him rather than what they can do to > >>>>>>>> help themselves and their country. He is not the country. While I > >>>>>>>> am > >>>>>>>> not a fan of the Kennedy clan, JFK did make a definite point in his > >>>>>>>> speech about ask not. Zero is making it personal. That is > >>>>>>>> specifically > >>>>>>>> the problem I see with this. The whole thrust of this lesson plan is > >>>>>>>> the problem. If you cannot see that, then you are ripe for wearing > >>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>> uniform and doing your Sieg Heil salute. > > >>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> dick, > > >>>>>>>>> But I did. What specific problems do you have with it? > > >>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 7:36 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> you obviously didn't read the study guide that was passed out by > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> Dept of Ed to go along with this speech. > > >>>>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> d.b. > > >>>>>>>>>>> WOW, what a terrible thing to do. To actually encourage young > >>>>>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>>>> to work hard, set goals for themselves and take responsibility > >>>>>>>>>>> WHY, > >>>>>>>>>>> THAT MAN IS A MONSTER! > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 7:25 pm, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [Q] - President Barack Obama's plans for a televised > >>>>>>>>>>>> back-to-school > >>>>>>>>>>>> address to students next week are drawing fire from some > >>>>>>>>>>>> conservatives, who say he's just trying to indoctrinate them to > >>>>>>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>>>> political beliefs. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> In the Sept. 8 speech, Obama will challenge students to work > >>>>>>>>>>>> hard, set > >>>>>>>>>>>> goals for their education and take responsibility for their > >>>>>>>>>>>> learning, > >>>>>>>>>>>> Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a letter to principals. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The Education Department is encouraging teachers to create lesson > >>>>>>>>>>>> plans around the speech, using materials provided on the > >>>>>>>>>>>> department > >>>>>>>>>>>> website, that urge students to learn about Obama and other > >>>>>>>>>>>> presidents... > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The chairman of the Florida Republican Party is condemning > >>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's > >>>>>>>>>>>> speech as an attempt to "indoctrinate America's children to his > >>>>>>>>>>>> socialist agenda." > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "The idea that school children across our nation will be forced > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> watch the President justify his plans for government-run health > >>>>>>>>>>>> care, > >>>>>>>>>>>> banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who > >>>>>>>>>>>> create > >>>>>>>>>>>> jobs, and racking up more debt > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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