I have responded several times. You just aren't bright enough to see what is in front of you, I guess.
Just from the MO of Zero, he will say things that skirt the limits of what should be said and then the lesson plans will finish the job of indoctrinating. That way he has deniability and a finger to point at the Dept of Ed if he gets in trouble for the speech. He considers that a win-win. He has been doing that to his own people since he started campaigning. Loved the comment from the libs that he should have given the speech and then passed out the lesson plans. That way nobody could have complained. Then there was also the comment that Reagan and Bush I both talked to the students. Difference was that they did not send out lesson plans, they talked to actual students and they spoke in one school and CSPAN chose to broadcast the speech. Zero is not doing any of those things. Pure indoctrination. Hollywood wrote: > dick, > > Nothing else to say regarding the post of mine you are partially > responding to? > > On Sep 3, 4:07 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html >> >> Check the Classroom activities, and the frequently asked questions. >> Sent it before. This is from the Dept of Education. >> >> Check what is in the Classroom activities with what was mentioned >> before. They are changing them because of all the complaints about the >> slant that was taken and the pdf might have changed already. >> >> >> >> Hollywood wrote: >> >>> dick, >>> >>> I don't see a guide from the Education Dept. that you sent. Please >>> send me the link to that again. >>> >>> ALL lobby organizations send political contributions to political >>> parties, the most to the parties they believe will advance their >>> particular agenda. What would make the Teacher's Union different from >>> a Manufacturer's lobby, or the Agribusiness lobby or anyone else? I'm >>> all for making ANY and ALL contributions ILLEGAL attempts to bribe >>> public officials. >>> >>> You can claim pretty much anything REALLY means something else if you >>> wish to. proving it is a horse of a different color. >>> >>> Really? Exactly who is it that controls promotions and transfers >>> within a given school district? Is it the Federal Dept. Of Education? >>> Is it the local school Board? Is it the local Teacher's Union, based >>> on seniority & other factors? Are you trying to tell me that if an >>> individual teacher in St. Louis wishes to transfer to a different >>> school with the St. Luis District the decision is made by the Dept. of >>> Education in Washington, D.C? Is that was you're saying? >>> >>> On Sep 3, 2:11 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> The guide I sent was from the Dept of Education itself. That is the one >>>> they sent out originally and the one they are now revising because of >>>> all the complaints. You are not paying any attention at all, are you. >>>> >>>> Why do you think the teachers unions give so much money and assistance >>>> to the administration unless there is a quid pro quo. You really don't >>>> think beyond what the words say to what they are really meaning, do >>>> you. It is like the boss suggest that this section of a report might >>>> need some review. What he is saying is that you need to change that >>>> section. This is the same principle. >>>> >>>> Of course they will not say it is REQUIRED. What they mean though is >>>> that if you want consideration for promotion or transfer to a better >>>> position you had damned well better have the students watch the speech >>>> and you had damned well better follow the curriculum. >>>> >>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>> >>>>> dick, >>>>> >>>>> Nonesense. >>>>> >>>>> I have pointed out that no one has submitted one of these scary lesson >>>>> plan guides.. Only what conservative bloggers, etc. have CLAIMED what >>>>> they consist of and/or REALLY mean. >>>>> >>>>> I have pointed out that no teacher is REQUIRED to do jack-shit, only >>>>> suggestions have been made and refuted the usage of the word "forced" >>>>> by conservatives. Haven't seen anyone refute that. >>>>> >>>>> I have asked how "they", the Obama administration "controls" the >>>>> teachers unions. No response to that either. >>>>> >>>>> No teacher is REQUIRED to even have his/her students watch the speech. >>>>> No one has challenged that statement. >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 3, 1:02 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You have said nothing except that anyone who disagrees with you is >>>>>> talking BS. Personally I think you are the one with the BS. I did deal >>>>>> with the issue very completely but you fail to see what any sane person >>>>>> sees with this admin. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> dick, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hold up on the hysterical partisan ranting and deal with THIS issue >>>>>>> and what you and I have said about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your talking bullshit and if you'd calm down you'd realize that. I'm >>>>>>> not impressed by the Glenn Beck immitation. >>>>>>> "They don't tell the teachers what to do" That's right they don't , so >>>>>>> what are you riled up about? >>>>>>> "They control the Teacher union". Who does and how? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 3, 11:01 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Remember all the talk about pragmatism in this president and we were >>>>>>>> overreacting last fall before the election? Look at what this POS >>>>>>>> admin >>>>>>>> has done so far and tell me I am overreacting. This is a crew who >>>>>>>> thinks nothing matters but what they want. You don't matter, your kids >>>>>>>> don't matter, the country doesn't matter; only Zero matters and what he >>>>>>>> wants to see done. They are pulling all the various activities into >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> WH with their czars, they are now telling companies how much they can >>>>>>>> pay people, they are naming people who are on record as being for >>>>>>>> euthanasia and eugenics and doing away with the Hippocratic Oath - and >>>>>>>> tell me I am over-reacting? Open your eyes and see what is really >>>>>>>> going >>>>>>>> on. Do you think they are doing all this for the laughs and just for >>>>>>>> something to do? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now you are changing the slant. They don't tell the teachers what to >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> but they send out the curricula to the teachers and they control the >>>>>>>> teachers unions. What do you think the teacher will do. I don't have >>>>>>>> to do this but if I don't I can kiss goodbye to any chance to get into >>>>>>>> admin or get transferred to the good school. That is the message >>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>> Alarmist, hysterical nonsense be damned. These people are serious >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> this krep they are pulling and you sit there and think it is nothing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They pull something, it gets massively complained about, it gets pulled >>>>>>>> back and we hear that someone did it without authorization and that >>>>>>>> someone gets fired and then given another good job. Over and over >>>>>>>> again. Their whole MO. This is the crew that said the returning >>>>>>>> military veterans were a threat to the country. Did you complain about >>>>>>>> that one? Wake up, fool! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dick, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are seriously over-reacting and the comparisons of President Obama >>>>>>>>> to Hitler, talk of "Brownshirts" etc, is alarmist, hysterical >>>>>>>>> nonsense. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I repeat, SHOW ME WHERE ANY TEACHER WILL BE FORCED TO SHOW THIS TO >>>>>>>>> HER/ >>>>>>>>> HIS CLASS. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 9:20 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I told you before. I do not want the president asking the children >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> help him when the message is given in the schools. What he should be >>>>>>>>>> doing is asking the parents to help see that their kids get >>>>>>>>>> educated. >>>>>>>>>> Wrong place to reach out to. It smacks far too much of the >>>>>>>>>> personality >>>>>>>>>> cult. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He asks them what they can do for him rather than what they can do to >>>>>>>>>> help themselves and their country. He is not the country. While I >>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>> not a fan of the Kennedy clan, JFK did make a definite point in his >>>>>>>>>> speech about ask not. Zero is making it personal. That is >>>>>>>>>> specifically >>>>>>>>>> the problem I see with this. The whole thrust of this lesson plan is >>>>>>>>>> the problem. If you cannot see that, then you are ripe for wearing >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> uniform and doing your Sieg Heil salute. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dick, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But I did. What specific problems do you have with it? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 7:36 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you obviously didn't read the study guide that was passed out by >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Dept of Ed to go along with this speech. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> d.b. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> WOW, what a terrible thing to do. To actually encourage young >>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>> to work hard, set goals for themselves and take responsibility >>>>>>>>>>>>> WHY, >>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT MAN IS A MONSTER! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 7:25 pm, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Q] - President Barack Obama's plans for a televised >>>>>>>>>>>>>> back-to-school >>>>>>>>>>>>>> address to students next week are drawing fire from some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservatives, who say he's just trying to indoctrinate them to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> political beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Sept. 8 speech, Obama will challenge students to work >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard, set >>>>>>>>>>>>>> goals for their education and take responsibility for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a letter to principals. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Education Department is encouraging teachers to create lesson >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plans around the speech, using materials provided on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> department >>>>>>>>>>>>>> website, that urge students to learn about Obama and other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidents... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The chairman of the Florida Republican Party is condemning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech as an attempt to "indoctrinate America's children to his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> socialist agenda." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The idea that school children across our nation will be forced >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch the President justify his plans for government-run health >>>>>>>>>>>>>> care, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> create >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobs, and racking up more debt >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> ... >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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