Homophobia also has a "trigger" lets eradicate that as well. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote:
> *No.* > ** > *"Beating the crap out of bullies" makes you a violent bully, and part of > the problem, too.* > > *Depression is often triggered by the acts of others, such as bullies and > abusive homophobic taunters.* > > > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Since you want to blame everything on "depression" let us look at that.* >> >> DEPRESSION*, n. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 4. A sinking of the spirits; dejection; a state of sadness; *want of >> courage or animation*; as depression of the mind. >> >> I don't see how any of this is "pretzel logic." >> >> It is not the fault of the bully or the bigot that individuals have no >> self worth. If you are being bullied, then get a bunch of your friends >> together and beat the crap out of the bully. Maybe then he'll stop being a >> bully. >> >> On 10/1/2010 4:30 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> >> *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* >> ** >> *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts of >> others, such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* >> ** >> *Suicide is caused by many factors.* >> >> *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.* >> >> On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] >>> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life. >>> >>> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit "self-murder." If >>> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then that individual >>> would be guilty of murder. >>> >>> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? If not, >>> you are jousting at windmills. >>> >>> >>> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>> >>> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* >>> >>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as life >>>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, both >>>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do >>>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal problem. It >>>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes me to >>>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever reason) >>>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* >>>>> ** >>>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* >>>>> *One suicide is one too many.* >>>>> >>>>> *No man is an island* >>>>> >>>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man >>>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; >>>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe >>>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as >>>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine >>>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, >>>>> because I am involved in mankind. >>>>> And therefore never send to know for whom >>>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. >>>>> >>>>> -John Donne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing >>>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't it ?? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists in >>>>>> EVERY walk of life. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is >>>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men murdered >>>>>>> by homophobia in America.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-horrific-school-torment-20100928/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-life-support-following-suicide-attempt-over-anti-gay-bullying/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/story?id=11758716 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the >>>>>>>> images >>>>>>>> against the suicide victim's will.... >>>>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or not.... >>>>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle..... >>>>>>>> nominal9 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do you >>>>>>>> know ?? >>>>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.* >>>>>>>> > * >>>>>>>> > * >>>>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something that >>>>>>>> they find >>>>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position first >>>>>>>> rather than >>>>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* >>>>>>>> > > ** >>>>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on the >>>>>>>> internet by >>>>>>>> > > his straight roomate.* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a >>>>>>>> societal >>>>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids a >>>>>>>> gay guy then >>>>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who filmed >>>>>>>> him should >>>>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he took >>>>>>>> his own life >>>>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other than >>>>>>>> homophobia, >>>>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you >>>>>>>> think it does and >>>>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do >>>>>>>> determine if it was >>>>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy does >>>>>>>> not get a job >>>>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that >>>>>>>> someone better >>>>>>>> > >> applied also. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life if >>>>>>>> he had >>>>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?* >>>>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * >>>>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate secretly >>>>>>>> filmed the >>>>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. >>>>>>>> > >> * >>>>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep shame, >>>>>>>> ridicule, >>>>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!* >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> Tommy, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing and >>>>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to take >>>>>>>> his own >>>>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and >>>>>>>> love of >>>>>>>> > >>> ones self ??? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President >>>>>>>> Obama and >>>>>>>> > >>> Congress >>>>>>>> > >>> > * >>>>>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality Bill, >>>>>>>> to amend >>>>>>>> > >>> the >>>>>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation and >>>>>>>> gender >>>>>>>> > >>> identity.* >>>>>>>> > >>> > ** >>>>>>>> > >>> > < >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/ >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in >>>>>>>> New York >>>>>>>> > >>> after his >>>>>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and posted >>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>> > >>> internet >>>>>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have >>>>>>>> killed >>>>>>>> > >>> themselves >>>>>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of Brooklyn, >>>>>>>> NY and >>>>>>>> > >>> really >>>>>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact >>>>>>>> > >>> > ... >>>>>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about homophobia, >>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>> > >>> bullying >>>>>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more suicide >>>>>>>> letters. *** >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > To President Obama, >>>>>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, >>>>>>>> the young man >>>>>>>> > >>> who >>>>>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another >>>>>>>> man was >>>>>>>> > >>> posted on >>>>>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 students >>>>>>>> accused of >>>>>>>> > >>> this >>>>>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will be >>>>>>>> doing a >>>>>>>> > >>> grave >>>>>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in >>>>>>>> this country >>>>>>>> > >>> who >>>>>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times >>>>>>>> greater risk >>>>>>>> > >>> of >>>>>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts. >>>>>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having their >>>>>>>> private >>>>>>>> > >>> sexual >>>>>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it >>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>> > >>> unlikely >>>>>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if this >>>>>>>> had been a >>>>>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would not >>>>>>>> likely >>>>>>>> > >>> experience >>>>>>>> > >>> > the shame and fear that Mr. Clementi must have felt. >>>>>>>> > >>> > Yes, the 2 students accused of this crime must be held >>>>>>>> accountable for >>>>>>>> > >>> their >>>>>>>> > >>> > actions, but as a society we must all share responsibility >>>>>>>> for creating >>>>>>>> > >>> an >>>>>>>> > >>> > environment that drives young gay people to suicide. This >>>>>>>> country has >>>>>>>> > >>> come a >>>>>>>> > >>> > long way toward acceptance of gay people in the last few >>>>>>>> decades, but >>>>>>>> > >>> we >>>>>>>> > >>> > still have a long way to go. Young gay people still face >>>>>>>> bullying and >>>>>>>> > >>> abuse >>>>>>>> > >>> > at home and at school; many experience ostracism by family >>>>>>>> and friends; >>>>>>>> > >>> > discrimination in school, work, housing and social services; >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> > >>> isolation >>>>>>>> > >>> > from supportive communities of peers, as well as anti-gay >>>>>>>> violence in >>>>>>>> > >>> public >>>>>>>> > >>> > and private. It's no wonder that the shame and fear of >>>>>>>> 'coming out' can >>>>>>>> > >>> be >>>>>>>> > >>> > fatal. >>>>>>>> > >>> > In the cyber world we now live in, there will undoubtedly be >>>>>>>> more cases >>>>>>>> > >>> of >>>>>>>> > >>> > invasions of privacy on the internet. They can be punished, >>>>>>>> but not >>>>>>>> > >>> > prevented. It is up to all of us in this society to make >>>>>>>> sure that >>>>>>>> > >>> young gay >>>>>>>> > >>> > people feel safe, secure and accepted, so that shame and >>>>>>>> fear never >>>>>>>> > >>> again >>>>>>>> > >>> > result in death. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > Sincerely, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> -- >>>>>>>> > >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>> > >>> For options & help seehttp:// >>>>>>>> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> * Visit our other community >>>>>>>> > >>> athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>>> > >>> * It's active and moderated. 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