Hi Keith.... I agree that the situation here is still being uncovered and speculation may well be premature.....However, I ask you to consider your own "Gay Agenda" claim.....Do you think that it is fair to lump anyone's personal individual situation into a broad, generalised classification such as a "group" Gay Agenda political context?....
On Oct 5, 1:13 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Nominal, > > I am not exactly sure what your point is. Maybe I am missing Mark's too, > so feel free to chime in and correct me if I am mistaken. > > Let's review: > > This kid that we are referencing, killed himself. Committed suicide. > Personally, I would classify that as some kind of mental illness. It had > nothing to do with anyone else killing him, the kid decided to take his own > life. > > The facts are just now coming out about this matter....Turns out that maybe > this had nothing to do with the roommate surrepticiously filming and then, > purportedly putting the film on the web. There are a number of links on the > web now, but the bottom line, is that it appears that Tyler Clementi wasn't > all that upset with his roommate. > > The point being, is that once again, we have a militant Gay Agenda, > attempting to write a narrative that is both untruthful and misleading. > > There was no bullying (at least documented) of Tyler Clementi. Much like > the Matthew Shepard story, where Shepard was purportedly killed because of > his sexual orientation, it turned out that Shepard was killed because he was > in a drug deal that went bad. > > Likewise, it appears that Mr. Clementi's suicide was caused by something > other than the alleged "Bullying". > > It's just a little lie...... > > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mark.... this "weakness" claim of yours is a"fiction".... doesn't > > comport with human experience. Take the example of "growing up"... > > from birth to relative maturity. At what point does a baby or a child > > lose his/her emotional "weakness"....? Is a baby who is physically or > > mentally abused by "grown-ups" (depraved ones, let's say).... > > emotionally weak... for crying or trying to escape? If not a "baby" > > then at what point in an abusive continuum does a "youngster" develop > > into emotional "maturity" and therefor no longer has a right to claim > > victimization from an abuser.... twelve, thirteen, eighteen, twenty- > > one... thirty-five... fifty? > > You seem to have this John Wayne tough-guy movie fiction working in > > your head.....Maybe you should talk to some honest-to-goodness, real- > > life stand-up people.... and stop depending on romanticized "gung-ho" > > pablum for your assumptions into something you probably have never > > experienced, yourself.... > > Sounds like tough talk on my part.... but, frankly, tell me if and > > when you have had experience in this regard, yourself... you know... > > standing up to very aggressive or assertive people, who struck > > understandable and "doable" fear into you.... > > > On Oct 5, 10:07 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Oh, but they are weaknesses....... show me ONE that is a strength or that > > > makes you NORMAL. It is a weakness in fact and by definition. > > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > *No Mark. You are misinformed.* > > > > ** > > > > *Depression is not a weakness, it is a mental illness.* > > > > ** > > > > *Ilnesses are not weaknesses. > > > > * > > > > > On 10/4/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> *****Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" > > > >> condition... it's "social", too.**** > > > > >> Please explain which disease or weakness of the Psyche is not effected > > by > > > >> ALL outside influences.... Depression is a weakness... if you want > > protected > > > >> because you have it... wear a sign... do not expect different or > > special > > > >> treatment by anyone unless you inform them all. > > > > >> Again, to drive him over the edge he must have been doing something > > that > > > >> he found so personally, morally or socially repugnant/unacceptable... > > for > > > >> whatever reason and this is and was his OWN problem. > > > > >> As to candid cameraman... prosecute him.... but NOT for the boys > > suicide > > > >> (read the definition). > > > > >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" > > > >>> condition... it's "social", too. This young person suicide victim was > > > >>> doing well enough until he was harassed (at least twice, apparently) > > > >>> by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely the "recipient" of the > > > >>> act of being video-recorded in his sex acts (without his knowledge or > > > >>> consent, against his will) anfd then having those video-recordings > > > >>> broadcast to the public. This is a two part question of "psychology" > > > >>> the psychology of the room-mate (as agent/patient) who performed the > > > >>> act and the the psychology of the Victim (as patient/recipient) > > > >>> first.. turned (as agent patient) into the performer of his own act > > of > > > >>> suicide. > > > > >>> ROOM-MATE > > > >>> I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate homos / they can live > > > >>> C(BAD)..........R(BAD).... > > > >>> I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate homos / want them > > > >>> dead > > > > >>> VICTIM > > > >>> love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide > > > >>> C(GOOD).......R(GOOD).... > > > >>> love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live > > > > >>> ROOM-MATE > > > >>> Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy > > > >>> C(BAD)....R(BAD).... > > > >>> Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame > > > > >>> VICTIM > > > >>> hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live > > > >>> C(BAD) .......R(BAD)...... > > > >>> hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide > > > > >>> Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act" of the ROOMMATE took > > > >>> on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public shame) of the act that > > > >>> was performed against him and acted as the ROOM-MATE "wanted" him > > > >>> to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by the "cruelty" of > > > >>> someone who could have (should have) been a "friend' (strictly that) > > > >>> and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he desired...... personally, > > my > > > >>> moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me that he should have > > > >>> killed the ROOM-MATE, instead. > > > > >>> On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > Tommy, No. > > > > >>> > Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies person to > > > >>> person > > > >>> > with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. Only > > those > > > >>> with > > > >>> > one foot on the ledge can be shoved over. > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* > > > >>> > > ** > > > >>> > > *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts > > of > > > >>> others, > > > >>> > > such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* > > > >>> > > ** > > > >>> > > *Suicide is caused by many factors.* > > > > >>> > > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.* > > > > >>> > > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >>> > >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] > > > >>> > >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life. > > > > >>> > >> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit > > > >>> "self-murder." If > > > >>> > >> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then that > > > >>> individual > > > >>> > >> would be guilty of murder. > > > > >>> > >> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? > > If > > > >>> not, > > > >>> > >> you are jousting at windmills. > > > > >>> > >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > > > >>> > >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* > > > > >>> > >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient > > as > > > >>> life > > > >>> > >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to > > > >>> themselves, both > > > >>> > >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL > > suicides > > > >>> do > > > >>> > >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal > > > >>> problem. It > > > >>> > >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that > > > >>> causes me to > > > >>> > >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for > > whatever > > > >>> reason) > > > >>> > >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. > > > > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News < > > [email protected]> > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* > > > >>> > >>>> ** > > > >>> > >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* > > > >>> > >>>> *One suicide is one too many.* > > > > >>> > >>>> *No man is an island* > > > > >>> > >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man > > > >>> > >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; > > > >>> > >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe > > > >>> > >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as > > > >>> > >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine > > > >>> > >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, > > > >>> > >>>> because I am involved in mankind. > > > >>> > >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom > > > >>> > >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. > > > > >>> > >>>> -John Donne > > > > >>> > >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, > > > > >>> > >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that > > > >>> nothing > > > >>> > >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, > > > >>> isn't it ?? > > > > >>> > >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it > > !!" > > > > >>> > >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another > > > >>> exists in > > > >>> > >>>>> EVERY walk of life. > > > > >>> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News < > > > >>> [email protected]>wrote: > > > > >>> > >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of > > homophobia > > > >>> is > > > >>> > >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * > > > > >>> > >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
