*I think Tyler reacted with deep shame and decided he could not go on with living after this incident.* *The video is out there for all to see, and there is no turning back. * On 10/4/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Depression is something more that a purely "psychological" > condition... it's "social", too. This young person suicide victim was > doing well enough until he was harassed (at least twice, apparently) > by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely the "recipient" of the > act of being video-recorded in his sex acts (without his knowledge or > consent, against his will) anfd then having those video-recordings > broadcast to the public. This is a two part question of "psychology" > the psychology of the room-mate (as agent/patient) who performed the > act and the the psychology of the Victim (as patient/recipient) > first.. turned (as agent patient) into the performer of his own act of > suicide. > > ROOM-MATE > I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate homos / they can live > C(BAD)..........R(BAD).... > I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate homos / want them > dead > > VICTIM > love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide > C(GOOD).......R(GOOD).... > love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live > > ROOM-MATE > Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy > C(BAD)....R(BAD).... > Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame > > VICTIM > hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live > C(BAD) .......R(BAD)...... > hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide > > Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act" of the ROOMMATE took > on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public shame) of the act that > was performed against him and acted as the ROOM-MATE "wanted" him > to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by the "cruelty" of > someone who could have (should have) been a "friend' (strictly that) > and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he desired...... personally, my > moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me that he should have > killed the ROOM-MATE, instead. > > > > > > On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tommy, No. > > > > Depression and or the propensity for it definitely varies person to > person > > with EVERYONE being different and having their own limits. Only those > with > > one foot on the ledge can be shoved over. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > > > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass muster.* > > > ** > > > *You fail to see that depression is often triggered by the acts of > others, > > > such as bullies and abusive homophobic taunters.* > > > ** > > > *Suicide is caused by many factors.* > > > > > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also caused by many factors.* > > > > > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo, to slay.] > > >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life. > > > > >> By definition, one cannot cause someone else to commit "self-murder." > If > > >> someone else can be factually proven to be at fault, then that > individual > > >> would be guilty of murder. > > > > >> Has the individual who took the video been arrested for murder? If > not, > > >> you are jousting at windmills. > > > > >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > > > >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these suicides.* > > > > >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy oneself is as ancient as > life > > >>> itself. There are so very many reasons people do this to themselves, > both > > >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however ONE reason ALL suicides do > > >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and that, Sir, is a personal > problem. It > > >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that can be legislated that causes > me to > > >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay or Lesbian (for whatever > reason) > > >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they are acting like one. > > > > >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.* > > >>>> ** > > >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is most perverse.* > > >>>> *One suicide is one too many.* > > > > >>>> *No man is an island* > > > > >>>> No man is an island entire of itself; every man > > >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; > > >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe > > >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as > > >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine > > >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me, > > >>>> because I am involved in mankind. > > >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom > > >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. > > > > >>>> -John Donne > > > > >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, > > > > >>>>> He must have had a really poor self image... short of that nothing > > >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide IS against the law, isn't > it ?? > > > > >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy, Mommy, he made me do it !!" > > > > >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of one kind or another exists > in > > >>>>> EVERY walk of life. > > > > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy News <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident. The problem of homophobia is > > >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. * > > > > >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 – THREE – other young gay men > murdered > > >>>>>> by homophobia in America.* > > > > >>>>>> > http://www.queerty.com/shock-gay-texas-13-year-old-asher-brown-shoots... > > > > >>>>>> > http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2010/09/gay-teen-dies-after-10-days-on-lif... > > > > >>>>>> > http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-secret-dorm-sex-tape-commits-suicide/... > > > > >>>>>> On 10/1/10, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> I think the issue here is that someone shot and distributed the > > >>>>>>> images > > >>>>>>> against the suicide victim's will.... > > >>>>>>> Plus, the victim was relatively young... eighteen....Gay or > not.... > > >>>>>>> that's a lot for a young person to handle..... > > >>>>>>> nominal9 > > > > >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 12:09 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > *Just exactly what was he ashamed of ??? Being gay ?? How do > you > > >>>>>>> know ?? > > >>>>>>> > He's certainly not talking.* > > >>>>>>> > * > > >>>>>>> > * > > >>>>>>> > *Further, if one is going to do or be involved in something > that > > >>>>>>> they find > > >>>>>>> > THAT shameful maybe they should rethink their own position > first > > >>>>>>> rather than > > >>>>>>> > legislate an entire populace for a personal error.* > > > > >>>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Tommy News < > [email protected]> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic is, as usual, illogical.* > > >>>>>>> > > ** > > >>>>>>> > > *This talented young man would still be alive if it were not > for > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>> > > horrible shame he felt after this secret video was posted on > the > > >>>>>>> internet by > > >>>>>>> > > his straight roomate.* > > > > >>>>>>> > > On 10/1/10, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> I guess every time a gay guy comits suicide it is always a > > >>>>>>> societal > > >>>>>>> > >> homophobia, never anything else. And every time anyone kids > a > > >>>>>>> gay guy then > > >>>>>>> > >> it is homophobia, never anything else. The people who > filmed > > >>>>>>> him should > > >>>>>>> > >> pay for this big time but your thoughts on exactly why he > took > > >>>>>>> his own life > > >>>>>>> > >> are open to question. People do things for reasons other > than > > >>>>>>> homophobia, > > >>>>>>> > >> you know. The world does not revolve for the reasons you > think > > >>>>>>> it does and > > >>>>>>> > >> the world does not sit there waiting for Tommy News do > determine > > >>>>>>> if it was > > >>>>>>> > >> homophobia or not. You seem to think that if a gay guy > does > > >>>>>>> not get a job > > >>>>>>> > >> he applied for it has to be because of homophobia, not that > > >>>>>>> someone better > > >>>>>>> > >> applied also. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> On 10/01/2010 11:19 AM, Tommy News wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> *Do you think Tyler Clementi would have taken his own life > if > > >>>>>>> he had > > >>>>>>> > >> been filmed in a private romantic encounter with a girl?* > > >>>>>>> > >> *Think about why he took his life, why he did it. * > > >>>>>>> > >> * In addition, Think about why his straight roommate > secretly > > >>>>>>> filmed the > > >>>>>>> > >> encounter and broadcast it on the Internet. > > >>>>>>> > >> * > > >>>>>>> > >> *The problem is societal homophobia, which causes deep > shame, > > >>>>>>> ridicule, > > >>>>>>> > >> harm, and persecution of gays.* > > > > >>>>>>> > >> *Think, I know you can!* > > > > >>>>>>> > >> On 10/1/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> Tommy, > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> One may first want to ask exactly what was so embarrassing > and > > >>>>>>> > >>> repugnant on the tape that the young man was willing to > take > > >>>>>>> his own > > >>>>>>> > >>> life and why it was so to him. > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> That which made him jump came from within his own mind. > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> Since when is it governments job to legislate fortitude and > > >>>>>>> love of > > >>>>>>> > >>> ones self ??? > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> On Sep 30, 6:23 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>>>>>> > >>> > *Take Action: Send A No More Suicides Letter to President > > >>>>>>> Obama and > > >>>>>>> > >>> Congress > > >>>>>>> > >>> > * > > >>>>>>> > >>> > *Tell them to introduce and pass The American Equality > Bill, > > >>>>>>> to amend > > >>>>>>> > >>> the > > >>>>>>> > >>> > Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sexual orientation > and > > >>>>>>> gender > > >>>>>>> > >>> identity.* > > >>>>>>> > >>> > ** > > >>>>>>> > >>> > < > > > > >>>>>>> > http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/suicide-and-the-internet/ > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > Tyler Clementi Jumped off the George Washington Bridge in > New > > >>>>>>> York > > >>>>>>> > >>> after his > > >>>>>>> > >>> > same-sex romantic encounter was secretly filmed and > posted on > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>> > >>> internet > > >>>>>>> > >>> > by his college roomate. At least three other youths have > > >>>>>>> killed > > >>>>>>> > >>> themselves > > >>>>>>> > >>> > due to homophobic bullying. Stop The Hate! > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > From our friend Tif: > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > -- THE LETTER BELOW WAS WRITTEN by Jonathan W, of > Brooklyn, > > >>>>>>> NY and > > >>>>>>> > >>> really > > >>>>>>> > >>> > captures the heart of the matter it seems. > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > Please SEND IT as a comment to the White House at: > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact > > >>>>>>> > >>> > ... > > >>>>>>> > >>> > And LET THEM HEAR US SAY: > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > *** Mr. President PLEASE SPEAK OUT LOUDLY about > homophobia, > > >>>>>>> school > > >>>>>>> > >>> bullying > > >>>>>>> > >>> > and equal civil rights for LGBTQ people -- no more > suicide > > >>>>>>> letters. *** > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > To President Obama, > > >>>>>>> > >>> > All of us are horrified by the tragedy of Tyler Clementi, > the > > >>>>>>> young man > > >>>>>>> > >>> who > > >>>>>>> > >>> > committed suicide after his sexual encounter with another > man > > >>>>>>> was > > >>>>>>> > >>> posted on > > >>>>>>> > >>> > the internet. We share anger and disgust at the 2 > students > > >>>>>>> accused of > > >>>>>>> > >>> this > > >>>>>>> > >>> > despicable act. But if our outrage stops there, we will > be > > >>>>>>> doing a > > >>>>>>> > >>> grave > > >>>>>>> > >>> > disservice to the millions of young gay men and women in > this > > >>>>>>> country > > >>>>>>> > >>> who > > >>>>>>> > >>> > live with shame and fear everyday and who have a 4 times > > >>>>>>> greater risk > > >>>>>>> > >>> of > > >>>>>>> > >>> > suicide than their straight counterparts. > > >>>>>>> > >>> > Most people would be embarrassed and angered at having > their > > >>>>>>> private > > >>>>>>> > >>> sexual > > >>>>>>> > >>> > acts secretly recorded and posted on the internet, but it > > >>>>>>> seems > > >>>>>>> > >>> unlikely > > >>>>>>> > >>> > that Mr. Clementi would have been driven to suicide if > this > > >>>>>>> had been a > > >>>>>>> > >>> > heterosexual encounter. A young heterosexual man would > not > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
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