On 21/01/22 11:42 -0600, joshua stein wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 at 18:29:27 +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > > In my opinion, our main issue is the lack of new blood. > > > > We have chronically fewer people who can give okays than ports waiting. > > > > One big "meta" stuff that needs doing is pointing out (especially from > > new guys) what can be improved in the documentation of the porting > > process... > > sometimes pointing people in the right direction. > > > > Informal poll: what thing weirded you guys out the first time you touched > > OpenBSD ports coming from other platforms. > > > > What kind of gotcha can we get rid of, so that "new ports" will tend to > > be squeaky clean, infrastructure-wise, and ready for import. > > > > Maybe we'd need an FAQ from people coming from elsewhere explaining the > > main differences to (say) deb, rpm, freebsd ?... > > Using CVS and dealing with tarballs is probably pretty > ancient-feeling for many outsiders. I don't know that more > documentation is really the problem. > > I personally tend to ignore most ports@ emails that aren't diffs I > can easily view in my e-mail client because it's a hassle to save > the attachment, tar -t it to see what its directory structure is, > untar it in the proper place, try to build it, then provide feedback > by copying parts of the Makefile to an e-mail or doing some other > work to produce a diff. > > Maybe we can do something radical like enable GitHub pull requests > to let people submit changes against the ports repo on GitHub, do > review and feedback on those on GitHub, and once it's been approved > by a developer, that developer can do the final legwork of > committing it to CVS and closing the pull request (since we can't > commit directly to the Git repo). > > I believe that the GitHub repo can be configured to also email > ports@openbsd.org on any submissions/comments there, so the mailing > list would still be in the loop on everything for anyone that > doesn't want to use GitHub. >
Big NO. We use CVS, deal with it. If you want to help people who are lazy to cvs diff and send an email, write a script that that does a submission for them automatically in a format we prefer. If you want to use git, fine, you can send git diffs to the mailing list. If someone does not have enough brain to figure out how to do things our way then we probably do not want that submission either. On the other hand, I think the issue here is not the version control system or the development method we are using, but the lack of interest or need. The openbsd ports and packages are quiet good compared to others and things just work. There is always room for imrovement of course.
