Sedeng. Otak babi. Omongan orang gila. Jaman penjajahan sudah berakhir
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost" <rambitese...@...> wrote: > > Ngomongnya pakai o...@yusfik? > Pantes > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@> wrote: > > > > Sedeng. > > > > Otak babi. > > > > Omongan orang gila. > > > > Jaman penjajahan sudah berakhir. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA <parewa70@> wrote: > > > > > > Jelas anda yg senang. Nanti belanda menjajah indonesia lagi. Lalu duitnya > > > bisa buat membayar tunjangan pengangguran macam anda. > > > > > > --- Pada Kam, 22/7/10, Jusfiq <kesayangan.allah@> menulis: > > > > > > Dari: Jusfiq <kesayangan.allah@> > > > Judul: [proletar] Re: Panglima TNI: Persoalan Kopassus Selesai + > > > ....Proposed resumption of US mil > > > Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > Tanggal: Kamis, 22 Juli, 2010, 7:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benernya TNI itu bagusnya dibubarkan saja.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perang itu udah nggak ada gunanya selain buang-buang nyawa dan > > > buang-buang duit... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny" <ambon@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Refleksi : Bagaimana diselesaikan ataukah selesainya seperti kasus Bank > > > > Century? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.antaranews.com/berita/1279798539/panglima-tni-persoalan-kopassus-selesai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panglima TNI: Persoalan Kopassus Selesai > > > > > > > Kamis, 22 Juli 2010 18:35 WIB | Peristiwa | Politik/Hankam | > > > > > > > Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Panglima TNI Jenderal TNI Djoko Santoso > > > > menyatakan, persoalan pelanggaran Hak Asasi Manusia (HAM) oleh Komando > > > > Pasukan Khusus TNI Angkatan Darat (Kopassus), sudah selesai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bagi TNI, persoalan dugaan pelanggaran HAM oleh Kopassus telah > > > > selesai," katanya, di Jakarta, Kamis, menanggapi pembukaan kembali > > > > latihan bagi Kopassus oleh Amerika Serikat (AS) yang disampaikan > > > > Menteri Pertahanan Amerika Serikat (AS), Robert Gates, usai bertemu > > > > Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono dan Menteri Pertahanan RI Purnomo > > > > Yusgiantoro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ia mengatakan, sejak sepuluh tahun lebih TNI telah melakukan reformasi > > > > internal di berbagai lini dan itu telah disampaikan di berbagai forum > > > > internasional. "Misalnya, dalam pertemuan Panglima Angkatan Bersenjata > > > > se-Asia Pasifik (Chief of Defence Conference/CHOD), kepercayaan yang > > > > diberikan kepada TNI untuk ikut dalam Latihan Bersama Komando AS > > > > Kawasan Asia Pasifik Cobra Gold, latihan misi perdamaian PBB Garuda > > > > Shield dan lainnya," tutur Djoko. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tak hanya itu, TNI juga tetap menerima program-porogram pendidikan dan > > > > latihan yang diberikan Komando AS di Asia Pasifik (USPACOM). "Tahun > > > > ini, ada 107 program yang ditawarkan. Namun, biasanya kami hanya ambil > > > > sesuai kebutuhan TNI," kata Panglima TNI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Djoko bahkan menegaskan, TNI juga telah memasukkan pendidikan HAM dalam > > > > kurikulum di setiap jenjang pendidikan di TNI sehingga tidak ada lagi > > > > prajurit TNI yang akan melanggar HAM dalam penungasannya, baik di > > > > daerah aman maupun di daerah konflik. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Jadi, bagi TNI, persoalan Kopassus terkait pelanggaran HAM sudah > > > > selesai," ujarnya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pada kesempatan itu, Panglima TNI menyatakan, pihaknya menyambut > > > > positif keputusan AS untuk memberikan kembali latihan bagi Kopassus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Kami akan mempersiapkan dengan sebaik-baiknya, apalagi Kopassus > > > > merupakan salah satu satuan khusus terbaik di dunia," ujarnya, usai > > > > mendampingi Menteri Pertahanan Purnomo Yusgiantoro mengadakan > > > > pembicaraan bilateral dengan Menhan Robert Gates. > > > > > > > (T.R018/P003) > > > > > > > ++++ > > > > > > > http://www.antaranews.com/berita/1279790766/as-apresiasi-reformasi-tni > > > > > > > AS Apresiasi Reformasi TNI > > > > > > > Kamis, 22 Juli 2010 16:26 WIB | Peristiwa | Politik/Hankam | > > > > > > > Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Pemerintah Amerika Serikat memberikan apresiasi > > > > atas reformasi TNI yang berlangsung sejak beberapa tahun terakhir dan > > > > berharap hubungan kerja sama militer kedua negara dapat meningkat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menteri Pertahanan AS Robert Gates dalam keterangan pers usai bertemu > > > > Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono di Istana Presiden Jakarta, Kamis > > > > siang, mengatakan, sejumlah kebijakan yang diambil Kementerian > > > > Pertahanan RI atas isu hak asasi manusia juga menjadi dasar > > > > pertimbangan keinginan peningkatan kerja sama itu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dengan senang saya sampaikan kepada Presiden bahwa hasil reformasi > > > > militer dalam beberapa dekade ini, profesionalisme TNI dan sejumlah > > > > kebijakan Kementerian Pertahanan terhadap beberapa isu hak asasi > > > > manusia membuat AS akan memulai program kerjasama keamanan dengan > > > > Pasukan Khusus Indonesia," katanya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gates menambahkan, peningkatan kerja sama juga akan diikuti dengan > > > > kelanjutan reformasi TNI dan Kopassus dalam masa mendatang. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Kami mempertimbangkan pembangunan kerjasama militer kedua negara dan > > > > hubungan yang lebih dekat dengan TNI dimasa yang akan datang," tegasnya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Gates setelah bertemu Presiden kemudian menuju kementerian > > > > pertahanan untuk pembicaraan bilateral dengan Menhan Purnomo > > > > Yusgiantoro. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebelum bertemu Presiden Yudhoyono, Robert Gates mengadakan pertemuan > > > > tertutup dengan Menteri Pertahanan Purnomo Yusgiantoro membahas > > > > berbagai hal, terkait hubungan kedua negara terutama dalam bidang > > > > pertahanan dan keamanan, di Kantor Kementerian Pertahanan, Jakarta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dirjen Strategi Pertahanan Kementerian Pertahanan Mayjen TNI > > > > Syarifuddin Tippe kepada ANTARA News mengatakan, tidak ada hal baru > > > > dalam pertemuan kedua menteri pertahanan itu, selain membahas kembali > > > > kerja sama yang telah dijalin kedua pihak dalam bidang pertahanan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tidak ada hal baru yang signifikan yang diajukan Amerika Serikat > > > > kepada Indonesia, dalam kerangka kerja sama pertahanan kedua negara. > > > > Pembahasan hanya berbicara seputar kerja sama yang telah dilaksanakan > > > > kedua pihak untuk meningkatkan dan lebih memantapkan kerja sama > > > > pertahanan kedua negara," ungkapnya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebelumnya, Pemerintah RI dan AS melalui kementerian pertahanan kedua > > > > negara sepakat untuk menegaskan kembali kerja sama di bawah kerangka > > > > kemitraan komprehensif serta penerapannya yang akan dituangkan dalam > > > > sebuah rencana aksi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kesepakatan itu tertuang dalam nota kerja sama bidang pertahanan antara > > > > Kemenhan RI dengan Dephan AS yang memuat pengaturan kerangka kegiatan > > > > kerja sama bidang pertahanan antara Kemenhan RI dengan Dephan AS, yang > > > > ditandatangani pada Juni 2010. (T.P008*F008/A041/P00 > > > > > > > ++++ > > > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100722/ap_on_re_as/as_indonesia_us > > > > > > > US to resume ties with Indonesia's special forces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. > > > > > > > AP - Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, right, shakeS > > > > hands with U.S. Defense Secretary Robert . > > > > > > > By NINIEK KARMINI, Associated Press Writer Niniek Karmini, Associated > > > > Press Writer - 1 min ago > > > > > > > JAKARTA, Indonesia - The United States announced Thursday it will > > > > resume cooperation with Indonesia's special forces after ties were > > > > severed more than a decade ago over alleged human rights abuses by the > > > > commando unit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates made the announcement after meeting > > > > with Indonesia's President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono on Thursday in the > > > > capital of Jakarta. Indonesia had said it wanted the United States to > > > > reconsider resuming joint training. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The decision will be seen as a victory for the Indonesian military, > > > > which has said it made great strides in improving its human rights > > > > record. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indonesia's special forces were accused of major abuses through the > > > > 1990s in the provinces of Papua and Aceh and the former Indonesian > > > > province of East Timor, which has since become independent. The U.S. > > > > cut ties with the special forces under a 1997 law that banned U.S. > > > > training for foreign military units accused of human rights violations. > > > > The ban can be lifted if there have been substantial measures to bring > > > > culprits to justice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I was pleased to be able to tell the president that as a result of > > > > Indonesian military reform over the past decade ... and recent actions > > > > taken by the Ministry of Defense to address human rights issues, the > > > > United States will begin measured and gradual programs of security > > > > cooperation activities with the Indonesian Army Special Forces," Gates > > > > said at a news conference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "This initial step will take place within the limit of U.S. law and > > > > does not signal any lessening of the importance we place on human > > > > rights and accountability," he added. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yudhoyono guaranteed that there would be no more rights abuses by the > > > > Indonesian military. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I'll guard the Indonesian military reform and ensure that what > > > > happened 10 or 20 years ago will not happen again," the president was > > > > quoted as saying by Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro, who also > > > > attended the meeting with Gates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Washington severed all ties with the Indonesian military in 1999 after > > > > troops rampaged through East Timor when it voted to secede from > > > > Indonesia. The U.S. lifted that overall ban in 2005, but kept its > > > > restrictions against the special forces - known as Kopassus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Our ability to expand after this initial step will depend on continued > > > > implementation of reforms with Kopassus and (the Indonesian military) > > > > as a whole," Gates said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > International rights groups have said members of Kopassus were linked > > > > to the disappearance of student activists in 1997 and 1998 and were > > > > never held accountable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Gates said that he and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were > > > > both convinced that rapprochement was "the right thing to do at this > > > > time." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Associated Press writer Joe Cochrane contributed to this report. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++++ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ssrresourcecentre.org/2010/06/08/proposed-resumption-of-us-military-training-to-indonesia-draws-outrage-controversy/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proposed resumption of US military training to Indonesia draws outrage, > > > > controversy By: Jessica Teeple > > > > > > > | Indonesia | Jun 8, 2010 > > > > > > > President Obama is expected to travel to Indonesia in the near future > > > > to discuss, among other topics, renewing US-backed military training > > > > for the Indonesian special forces unit, the Kopassus ("Komando Pasukan > > > > Khusus" or "Special Force Command"). Below are five key controversies > > > > that continually appear in news reports and commentaries about this > > > > topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controversy #1: No legal accountability for past human rights > > > > violations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Kopassus has not faced legal accountability for the many human > > > > rights violations it has committed. Amnesty International USA reports > > > > that "despite promises by the Indonesian government, despite repeated > > > > assurances by Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono during > > > > visits to the United States, Kopassus officers involved in serious > > > > human rights crimes have never been brought to legal accountability." > > > > The few soldiers who have faced military tribunals have been reinstated > > > > into the ranks and promoted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controversy #2: US law bans training the Kopassus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the United States, the Leahy law enacted in 1997, bars US training > > > > of foreign military units with a history of human rights violations. In > > > > 2005 when then-President Bush looked to waive that ban to train > > > > Indonesian military troops, the State Department's legal counsel ruled > > > > that the Leahy law was still applicable and the training did not go > > > > forward. Now President Obama is working to reverse the ban and train > > > > younger members of the Kopassus. The Obama administration argues that > > > > this is acceptable because young members did not play a part in past > > > > human rights violations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controversy #3: Human rights violations are not a thing of the past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently, it was discovered that during 2009, the Indonesian armed > > > > forces secretly assassinated a series of civilian activists. Reporter > > > > Allan Nairn, who unearthed the story using official sources, is now > > > > facing possible arrest in Jakarta for reporting the story. Given these > > > > recent events, no members of the Kopassus can be considered exempt from > > > > human right violations now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controversy #4: Indonesian counter-terrorism efforts will lose momentum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The US has applauded Indonesia's success in fighting terrorism, but it > > > > is the police who perform the major role, not the military. The > > > > national coordinator of the East Timor Action Network (ETAN), John M. > > > > Miller argues that "US support for greater Indonesian military > > > > involvement [in counter-terrorism] will only undercut the police, > > > > strengthen the military internal, territorial role and further > > > > undermine reform." Miller also argues that US military assistance will > > > > set back the small advancements in human rights and security sector > > > > reform, especially military reform. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Controversy #5: Obama has a special connection to Indonesia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many people writing about the US resuming training of the Indonesian > > > > army highlight that Obama's family links and his experience living in > > > > Indonesia for a few years as a boy provide him with a special > > > > connection to Indonesia and its people. But, they warn, Indonesia now > > > > is very different from the Indonesia under Suharto he knew as a boy. > > > > Generally, it seems people are worried that Obama's special connection > > > > to Indonesia will cloud his judgment politically as he works to undo > > > > the Leahy law and resume training for the Kopassus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to know more? Read Human Rights Watch's letter to Obama, read > > > > Kristen Sundell's personal interaction with the Indonesian military, > > > > and browse the East Timor and Indonesia Action Network (specifically > > > > here, here, and here). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tags: Indonesia, Kopassus, military training, Obama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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