Manusia tak berpendidikan.
Tak punya harga diri.
Tentara indonesia suruh dibubarkan.
Alasannya "jaman penjajahan sudah berakhir".
Gila.
Anjing
--- Pada Kam, 22/7/10, Jusfiq <kesayangan.al...@gmail.com> menulis:
Dari: Jusfiq <kesayangan.al...@gmail.com>
Judul: Bls: [proletar] Re: Panglima TNI: Persoalan Kopassus Selesai +
....Proposed resu
Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Kamis, 22 Juli, 2010, 7:10 PM
Sedeng.
Otak babi.
Omongan orang gila.
Jaman penjajahan sudah berakhir.
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA <parew...@...> wrote:
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> Jelas anda yg senang. Nanti belanda menjajah indonesia lagi. Lalu duitnya
> bisa buat membayar tunjangan pengangguran macam anda.
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> --- Pada Kam, 22/7/10, Jusfiq <kesayangan.al...@...> menulis:
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> Dari: Jusfiq <kesayangan.al...@...>
> Judul: [proletar] Re: Panglima TNI: Persoalan Kopassus Selesai + ....Proposed
> resumption of US mil
> Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Tanggal: Kamis, 22 Juli, 2010, 7:04 PM
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> Benernya TNI itu bagusnya dibubarkan saja..
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> Perang itu udah nggak ada gunanya selain buang-buang nyawa dan buang-buang
> duit...
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> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny" <ambon@> wrote:
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> > Refleksi : Bagaimana diselesaikan ataukah selesainya seperti kasus Bank
> > Century?
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> >
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> > http://www.antaranews.com/berita/1279798539/panglima-tni-persoalan-kopassus-selesai
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> >
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> > Panglima TNI: Persoalan Kopassus Selesai
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> > Kamis, 22 Juli 2010 18:35 WIB | Peristiwa | Politik/Hankam |
>
> > Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Panglima TNI Jenderal TNI Djoko Santoso menyatakan,
> > persoalan pelanggaran Hak Asasi Manusia (HAM) oleh Komando Pasukan Khusus
> > TNI Angkatan Darat (Kopassus), sudah selesai.
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> >
>
> > "Bagi TNI, persoalan dugaan pelanggaran HAM oleh Kopassus telah selesai,"
> > katanya, di Jakarta, Kamis, menanggapi pembukaan kembali latihan bagi
> > Kopassus oleh Amerika Serikat (AS) yang disampaikan Menteri Pertahanan
> > Amerika Serikat (AS), Robert Gates, usai bertemu Presiden Susilo Bambang
> > Yudhoyono dan Menteri Pertahanan RI Purnomo Yusgiantoro.
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> >
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> > Ia mengatakan, sejak sepuluh tahun lebih TNI telah melakukan reformasi
> > internal di berbagai lini dan itu telah disampaikan di berbagai forum
> > internasional. "Misalnya, dalam pertemuan Panglima Angkatan Bersenjata
> > se-Asia Pasifik (Chief of Defence Conference/CHOD), kepercayaan yang
> > diberikan kepada TNI untuk ikut dalam Latihan Bersama Komando AS Kawasan
> > Asia Pasifik Cobra Gold, latihan misi perdamaian PBB Garuda Shield dan
> > lainnya," tutur Djoko.
>
> >
>
> > Tak hanya itu, TNI juga tetap menerima program-porogram pendidikan dan
> > latihan yang diberikan Komando AS di Asia Pasifik (USPACOM). "Tahun ini,
> > ada 107 program yang ditawarkan. Namun, biasanya kami hanya ambil sesuai
> > kebutuhan TNI," kata Panglima TNI.
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> >
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> > Djoko bahkan menegaskan, TNI juga telah memasukkan pendidikan HAM dalam
> > kurikulum di setiap jenjang pendidikan di TNI sehingga tidak ada lagi
> > prajurit TNI yang akan melanggar HAM dalam penungasannya, baik di daerah
> > aman maupun di daerah konflik.
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> > "Jadi, bagi TNI, persoalan Kopassus terkait pelanggaran HAM sudah selesai,"
> > ujarnya.
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> > Pada kesempatan itu, Panglima TNI menyatakan, pihaknya menyambut positif
> > keputusan AS untuk memberikan kembali latihan bagi Kopassus.
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> >
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> > "Kami akan mempersiapkan dengan sebaik-baiknya, apalagi Kopassus merupakan
> > salah satu satuan khusus terbaik di dunia," ujarnya, usai mendampingi
> > Menteri Pertahanan Purnomo Yusgiantoro mengadakan pembicaraan bilateral
> > dengan Menhan Robert Gates.
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> > (T.R018/P003)
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> > ++++
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> > http://www.antaranews.com/berita/1279790766/as-apresiasi-reformasi-tni
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> > AS Apresiasi Reformasi TNI
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> > Kamis, 22 Juli 2010 16:26 WIB | Peristiwa | Politik/Hankam |
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> > Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Pemerintah Amerika Serikat memberikan apresiasi
> > atas reformasi TNI yang berlangsung sejak beberapa tahun terakhir dan
> > berharap hubungan kerja sama militer kedua negara dapat meningkat.
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> > Menteri Pertahanan AS Robert Gates dalam keterangan pers usai bertemu
> > Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono di Istana Presiden Jakarta, Kamis siang,
> > mengatakan, sejumlah kebijakan yang diambil Kementerian Pertahanan RI atas
> > isu hak asasi manusia juga menjadi dasar pertimbangan keinginan peningkatan
> > kerja sama itu.
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> >
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> > "Dengan senang saya sampaikan kepada Presiden bahwa hasil reformasi militer
> > dalam beberapa dekade ini, profesionalisme TNI dan sejumlah kebijakan
> > Kementerian Pertahanan terhadap beberapa isu hak asasi manusia membuat AS
> > akan memulai program kerjasama keamanan dengan Pasukan Khusus Indonesia,"
> > katanya.
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> >
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> > Gates menambahkan, peningkatan kerja sama juga akan diikuti dengan
> > kelanjutan reformasi TNI dan Kopassus dalam masa mendatang.
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> > "Kami mempertimbangkan pembangunan kerjasama militer kedua negara dan
> > hubungan yang lebih dekat dengan TNI dimasa yang akan datang," tegasnya.
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> >
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> > Robert Gates setelah bertemu Presiden kemudian menuju kementerian
> > pertahanan untuk pembicaraan bilateral dengan Menhan Purnomo Yusgiantoro.
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> >
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> > Sebelum bertemu Presiden Yudhoyono, Robert Gates mengadakan pertemuan
> > tertutup dengan Menteri Pertahanan Purnomo Yusgiantoro membahas berbagai
> > hal, terkait hubungan kedua negara terutama dalam bidang pertahanan dan
> > keamanan, di Kantor Kementerian Pertahanan, Jakarta.
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> >
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> > Dirjen Strategi Pertahanan Kementerian Pertahanan Mayjen TNI Syarifuddin
> > Tippe kepada ANTARA News mengatakan, tidak ada hal baru dalam pertemuan
> > kedua menteri pertahanan itu, selain membahas kembali kerja sama yang telah
> > dijalin kedua pihak dalam bidang pertahanan.
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> > "Tidak ada hal baru yang signifikan yang diajukan Amerika Serikat kepada
> > Indonesia, dalam kerangka kerja sama pertahanan kedua negara. Pembahasan
> > hanya berbicara seputar kerja sama yang telah dilaksanakan kedua pihak
> > untuk meningkatkan dan lebih memantapkan kerja sama pertahanan kedua
> > negara," ungkapnya.
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> > Sebelumnya, Pemerintah RI dan AS melalui kementerian pertahanan kedua
> > negara sepakat untuk menegaskan kembali kerja sama di bawah kerangka
> > kemitraan komprehensif serta penerapannya yang akan dituangkan dalam sebuah
> > rencana aksi.
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> >
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> > Kesepakatan itu tertuang dalam nota kerja sama bidang pertahanan antara
> > Kemenhan RI dengan Dephan AS yang memuat pengaturan kerangka kegiatan kerja
> > sama bidang pertahanan antara Kemenhan RI dengan Dephan AS, yang
> > ditandatangani pada Juni 2010. (T.P008*F008/A041/P00
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> > ++++
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> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100722/ap_on_re_as/as_indonesia_us
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> > US to resume ties with Indonesia's special forces
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> > a..
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> > AP - Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, right, shakeS hands
> > with U.S. Defense Secretary Robert .
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> > By NINIEK KARMINI, Associated Press Writer Niniek Karmini, Associated Press
> > Writer - 1 min ago
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> > JAKARTA, Indonesia - The United States announced Thursday it will resume
> > cooperation with Indonesia's special forces after ties were severed more
> > than a decade ago over alleged human rights abuses by the commando unit.
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> >
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> > U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates made the announcement after meeting
> > with Indonesia's President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono on Thursday in the
> > capital of Jakarta. Indonesia had said it wanted the United States to
> > reconsider resuming joint training.
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> > The decision will be seen as a victory for the Indonesian military, which
> > has said it made great strides in improving its human rights record.
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> > Indonesia's special forces were accused of major abuses through the 1990s
> > in the provinces of Papua and Aceh and the former Indonesian province of
> > East Timor, which has since become independent. The U.S. cut ties with the
> > special forces under a 1997 law that banned U.S. training for foreign
> > military units accused of human rights violations. The ban can be lifted if
> > there have been substantial measures to bring culprits to justice.
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> > "I was pleased to be able to tell the president that as a result of
> > Indonesian military reform over the past decade ... and recent actions
> > taken by the Ministry of Defense to address human rights issues, the United
> > States will begin measured and gradual programs of security cooperation
> > activities with the Indonesian Army Special Forces," Gates said at a news
> > conference.
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> > "This initial step will take place within the limit of U.S. law and does
> > not signal any lessening of the importance we place on human rights and
> > accountability," he added.
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> > Yudhoyono guaranteed that there would be no more rights abuses by the
> > Indonesian military.
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> > "I'll guard the Indonesian military reform and ensure that what happened 10
> > or 20 years ago will not happen again," the president was quoted as saying
> > by Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro, who also attended the meeting with
> > Gates.
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> > Washington severed all ties with the Indonesian military in 1999 after
> > troops rampaged through East Timor when it voted to secede from Indonesia.
> > The U.S. lifted that overall ban in 2005, but kept its restrictions against
> > the special forces - known as Kopassus.
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> > "Our ability to expand after this initial step will depend on continued
> > implementation of reforms with Kopassus and (the Indonesian military) as a
> > whole," Gates said.
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> > International rights groups have said members of Kopassus were linked to
> > the disappearance of student activists in 1997 and 1998 and were never held
> > accountable.
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> >
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> > But Gates said that he and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were
> > both convinced that rapprochement was "the right thing to do at this time."
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> >
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> > ___
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> >
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> > Associated Press writer Joe Cochrane contributed to this report.
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> >
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> > ++++
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> > http://www.ssrresourcecentre.org/2010/06/08/proposed-resumption-of-us-military-training-to-indonesia-draws-outrage-controversy/
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> > Proposed resumption of US military training to Indonesia draws outrage,
> > controversy By: Jessica Teeple
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> > | Indonesia | Jun 8, 2010
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> > President Obama is expected to travel to Indonesia in the near future to
> > discuss, among other topics, renewing US-backed military training for the
> > Indonesian special forces unit, the Kopassus ("Komando Pasukan Khusus" or
> > "Special Force Command"). Below are five key controversies that continually
> > appear in news reports and commentaries about this topic.
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> > Controversy #1: No legal accountability for past human rights violations.
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> > The Kopassus has not faced legal accountability for the many human rights
> > violations it has committed. Amnesty International USA reports that
> > "despite promises by the Indonesian government, despite repeated assurances
> > by Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono during visits to the
> > United States, Kopassus officers involved in serious human rights crimes
> > have never been brought to legal accountability." The few soldiers who have
> > faced military tribunals have been reinstated into the ranks and promoted.
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> >
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> > Controversy #2: US law bans training the Kopassus.
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> >
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> > In the United States, the Leahy law enacted in 1997, bars US training of
> > foreign military units with a history of human rights violations. In 2005
> > when then-President Bush looked to waive that ban to train Indonesian
> > military troops, the State Department's legal counsel ruled that the Leahy
> > law was still applicable and the training did not go forward. Now President
> > Obama is working to reverse the ban and train younger members of the
> > Kopassus. The Obama administration argues that this is acceptable because
> > young members did not play a part in past human rights violations.
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> > Controversy #3: Human rights violations are not a thing of the past.
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> > Recently, it was discovered that during 2009, the Indonesian armed forces
> > secretly assassinated a series of civilian activists. Reporter Allan Nairn,
> > who unearthed the story using official sources, is now facing possible
> > arrest in Jakarta for reporting the story. Given these recent events, no
> > members of the Kopassus can be considered exempt from human right
> > violations now.
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> > Controversy #4: Indonesian counter-terrorism efforts will lose momentum.
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> > The US has applauded Indonesia's success in fighting terrorism, but it is
> > the police who perform the major role, not the military. The national
> > coordinator of the East Timor Action Network (ETAN), John M. Miller argues
> > that "US support for greater Indonesian military involvement [in
> > counter-terrorism] will only undercut the police, strengthen the military
> > internal, territorial role and further undermine reform." Miller also
> > argues that US military assistance will set back the small advancements in
> > human rights and security sector reform, especially military reform.
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> > Controversy #5: Obama has a special connection to Indonesia.
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> > Many people writing about the US resuming training of the Indonesian army
> > highlight that Obama's family links and his experience living in Indonesia
> > for a few years as a boy provide him with a special connection to Indonesia
> > and its people. But, they warn, Indonesia now is very different from the
> > Indonesia under Suharto he knew as a boy. Generally, it seems people are
> > worried that Obama's special connection to Indonesia will cloud his
> > judgment politically as he works to undo the Leahy law and resume training
> > for the Kopassus.
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> > Want to know more? Read Human Rights Watch's letter to Obama, read Kristen
> > Sundell's personal interaction with the Indonesian military, and browse the
> > East Timor and Indonesia Action Network (specifically here, here, and here).
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> > Tags: Indonesia, Kopassus, military training, Obama
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