On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 02:27:11PM -0400, William Ferrell wrote: > Ah. Well, ogg is fine with me, as long as the player will track it. > FreeDB is a bit more important -- you'd be surprised how many karaoke > CDGs are actually in there. > > I feel the need to chime in here and say Ogg Vorbis is *very* important > here, especially when ripping a bigger collection. There's logistic, > performance, and legal reasons why Ogg Vorbis is the appropriate format for > compressed audio at a karaoke show.
Indeed. > 1) Same sound quality (or better) -- Ogg Vorbis does a great job > compressing music; of course this is subjective but Oggs always > sound either indistiguishable from the same music compressed by MP3 > or perceptively better. That's good to, um, hear. :-) > 2) Better compression ratios -- Oggs end up smaller than MP3s for the > "equivalent" compression settings; i.e. if it sounds the same as an MP3, > it'll be smaller as an Ogg, and if an Ogg the same size as an equivalent > MP3, it will have fewer artifacts and generally sound better. Important when you're squishing 400 discs... > 3) Faster compression/decompression -- On my 64-bit (AMD Athlon 64) > notebook, Ogg encoding can sometimes run almost twice as fast as equivalent > MP3 encoding. It's such a huge performance improvement that when I put a > pile of Oggs together to re-convert back to MP3 to burn to a CD my truck's > MP3-capable (but not Ogg-capable, dammit) player can grok, I'm disappointed > that it takes more time to actually convert the files than it does to write > the physical disc. Hee. I hadn't realized this was true, and I'm quite happy to hear it. > 4) Royalty/patent free -- I know it's mostly an "academic" issue > since MP3's patent holders haven't apparently been complete > bastards about it, I don't have to worry at all that some lawyer > or cop will walk in during one of my shows and shut me down for > not paying a licensing fee to use a patented audio decoder. Same > with releasing software that uses it; my understanding is that the > MP3 folks *do* raise an eyebrow occasionally on players if those > players generate revenue for their builders/authors. Hmmm... > I haven't made empirical comparisons for the rest of this but I suspect > Ogg's tags can hold more data (they can be longer than ID3 tags), I know > players seem better-behaved (xmms is definitely faster/more cooperative > playing Oggs than it is playing MP3s, at least on both my systems), etc. Is it really? You mean, like, skipping and stuff? > And let me tell you this: on a song collection exceeding 40,000 songs, > pushing 150GB, converting from MP3 (I kept the originals, don't panic) to > Ogg Vorbis dropped the collection down to 110GB and sounds just as good. Yum. But note, too, that they pointout you're better off (much better, I'm told) re-ripping the originals to Ogg than converting. > > > Has anyone looked into cdparanoia? > > > > I couldn't find an option for ripping with subcode but I didn't look > > that closely. > Amusingly, googling for cdparanoia subcode turns up... > me and Will, talking about whether it will do it or not. :-) > > That's hilarious. I'd really love to find a way to either play CDG > straight from a CD or be able to rip just one track (during a show, > it'll be a pain in the ass if someone brings their own disc to play > but doesn't hand it to me until it's their turn to sing ... "yeah, > it'll be about ten minutes before you can sing this because my > computer has to read the whole disc first") Well, it's often about 10 minutes anyway, isn't it? Most of our ringers hand in the disc *as* their request slip, round here. And you should always have a "real" player and at least a couple dozen assorted discs as a backup anyway, so... Yeah, I know; I'm one of those old-fashioned "has a mixer" guys... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer Baylink RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates The Things I Think '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet and in e-mail? Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Pykaraoke-discuss mailing list Pykaraoke-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pykaraoke-discuss
