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On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 11:01 AM Steven D'Aprano <st...@pearwood.info>
wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:26:45AM +0400, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
> > Greeting lists,
> >
> > I am thinking of proposing to name accepted PEPs as PAPs
> > namely: Python Accepted Proposals.
>
> I immediately think of these:
>
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pap
>
> https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/pap-smear/about/pac-20394841


**laughs** nice point, it depends on your dictionary:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pap gives
food that is soft and has little taste or as short for paparazzi

Also let's say we found another better replacement, let's see the below
point


> How would this work in practice? After a PEP is accepted, are we
> supposed to go back through all the references to it and change them all
> to PAP? Do we expect people to search for "PAP 12345" and "PEP 12345" if
> they are unsure whether it is accepted or not?


For future PEPs. People have to remember that after PEP x you have PEPs and
'PAP's

Personally, I don't think that encoding the acceptance status in the ID
> is very useful. There's so much more about the PEP that doesn't get
> encoded in the ID, like *what it is about*. For example, if somebody
> mentioned PEP 450, or PAP 450, to me, I would have no clue what it was,
> and I wrote it! (I had to look it up to see what the number was.)
>

That's why the references exist, so that you look the details up. But
knowing
at a glance the status of a PEP immediately changes the perception of the
text at hand

I would expect that, if you know the context of the discussion and the
> nature of the PEP, anyone with a good knowledge of Python should be able
> to make a good guess of whether it was accepted or not.


I quote the first mail:

> ... you need to be a PEP historian


> For example,
> Python doesn't have a "directive" statement, so PEP 244 "The directive
> statement" is probably not accepted. But Python does have nested scopes,
> so PEP 227 "Nested Scopes" is probably accepted.


I quote the first mail:

> I know that PEPs have different status as enumerated here
<https://www.python.org/dev/peps/>

There are no PEPs as ' is probably accepted.', the status is enumerated
above


> I don't think that changing the second to PAP 227 adds enough useful
> information to outweigh the nuisance and inconvenience of having two
> ways to refer to PEPs.
>

2 ways for past PEPs and 1 way for future PEPs
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