Thank you all for your very helpful thoughts on the Clem. It really is great to read that the Clem is a fun/lively/nimble ride. That is, really, the best I could hope for. There is, after all, a difference between a slow bike and a bike being ridden slowly. Clearly, I am not mistaking the Clem for a Roadeo. Still, it is good to have the option, should one want to mash the pedals, of riding with the wind in one's hair. Not often, perhaps, but it's good to know it's there.
On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 7:36:16 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > If I buy a Clem, I guarantee it will be slow. Because when I got on the > Clem, I smiled, exhaled, and relaxed. Then I smiled some more, and pedaled > slow. I suppose a rider incapable of relaxing might ride a Clem fast. I > suppose a rider determined to be fast may be able to resist the soothing > charms of the Clem and ride fast in spite of them. I don't know of a > single objective measurable frame attribute that causally forces me to > relax and ride slowly, but if there is one, the Clem has that. The Clem > did not strike me as inefficient. The Clem is exceedingly easy to ride, > almost effortless. I didn't feel like pedalling hard. I didn't feel like > mashing. I felt like riding. > > On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 3:15:02 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote: >> >> I am trying to decide if the Clem is the right bike for me, so I'm really >> interested in this discussion. From what I've read on this board, there is >> a developing consensus that the Clem is going to be "slow." Might I ask, >> in the spirit of really wanting to know, how those of you who have come to >> this conclusion did so? Is it he long chain stays? Because I don't >> understand how that would work. I know the conventional wisdom says that >> long stays are slow, but is that really true? Can a slightly longer >> wheelbase really be inherently slower? >> Also, in terms of ride, what is meant be "more aggressive" or "less >> aggressive"? What properties of the frame contribute to this? The seat >> tube and head tube angles on the Clem look pretty identical to those of the >> Clem. A person I spoke to at Riv told me that the 52cm Clem has a 59m top >> tube, like the 54cm Hunq. >> I really want to like this bike, but a slow, heavy bike would be indeed a >> tough bike to love. The blug says Clem can do touring, trails, and towny >> stuff. But plodding along the trails does not sound fun. >> I ask the questions with all respect. I am not trying to be snarky, but >> am trying to get solid information on which to base a purchasing decision. >> It would be so much simpler just to go to the Riv store and hop on a Clem, >> but I am across the continent from them. I spoke with Keven at length just >> recently, but input from the group seems relevant and important, too. >> >> On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 2:36:50 PM UTC-4, drew beckmeyer wrote: >>> >>> So I have a 54 hunq and my fiancé got the 46 Clem prototype. I can't >>> reeaaallly speak to ride because I don't fit the 46. But here are my >>> observations. >>> Weight-similar >>> Stoutness-similar >>> Ride- hunq is potentially more aggressive. Could be a roadish bike with >>> the right cockpit and wheels...though there are better options for >>> that...but it has that capability. Feels faster. >>> The Clem is a much more laid back, cruiserish, town bike. Upright is way >>> upright. Stays are extra long. I think it could handle anything, but it >>> wont be quick doing those things. >>> Clearances- easier on the Clem, but similar >>> >>> We love both of these bikes dearly. The hunqapillar was bought before >>> the Clem's existed, but For me, having a us made, fully lugged frame was >>> somewhat important. I prefer the geometry of the hunq coupled with the >>> toughness. I don't feel slow on it. I'm not quite ready to go full heavy >>> upright long chainstay crazy big tired out yet. >>> For the fiancé, she doesn't care about road bikes, geometry, clearances >>> etc. she wants a bike that can do what mine does, that she will be >>> comfortable on, will last, looks good, and doesn't cost, to her, an obscene >>> amount of money. Not to imply that caring about those things precludes you >>> from wanting a Clem. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
