Joel and Clayton:

I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin
than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it
to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the
Apsin?

Thanks,
Lee
San Francisco, CA

On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott <clayton...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through
> my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring
> saddle.
> I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a
> little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough
> room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me.
> The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks.
> Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. I did
> ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the end I
> did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly
> protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started
> setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting
> nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame of the
> b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a 100
> miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I get
> more used to eachother.
> I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle for 60
> days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try.
>
> Best,
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't
> > > work as well as a B.17.  It was one of those with the integral wide
> > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp.
>
> > My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city
> > saddles).  I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more
> > comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks.
>
> > Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to
> > need frequent tightening.  Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy
> > that model?
>
> > On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > > Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in
> > > > optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as
> > > > well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud.
>
> > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't
> > > work as well as a B.17.  It was one of those with the integral wide
> > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp.
>
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