Joan, I think you're assuming that an authority record will be created for 
every new name cataloged under RDA. In practice, I doubt this will happen.. 

Does AACR2 state explicitly that affiliations are to be left out of the 
statement of responsibility? I don't see anything in 1.1F7 that seems to apply. 
We are told to omit, except under certain circumstances: "titles and 
abbreviations of titles of nobility, address, honour, and distinction, initials 
of societies, qualifications, date(s) of founding, mottoes, etc." [followed by 
the exceptions]. The only term I could pick out was "qualifications," but it 
seems a stretch to include affiliations under that category. None of the 
examples address affiliations so one could infer that the rule does not apply 
to such cases. In the actual examples of omissions, leaving out "Dr." in Dr. 
Harry Smith detracts from identification (ex. 1), the Library Association (ex. 
2) seems like a pretty generic name so including the date of founding can't 
hurt, and  "the late" from "by the late T.A. Rennard" (ex. 3)  tells us that 
the manifestation was published posthumously.  I think leaving in the "extras" 
enhances identification. It is not clear to me whether the list of omissions is 
to include religious titles, although this seems to be a common practice.

The advantage of the representation principle for the statement of 
responsibility is simplicity. If you follow the AACR2 path it results in a 
whole mess of complicated decisions on what to leave in and what to leave out. 
I also think the RDA principle supports identification of the persons listed in 
the statement of responsibility, and, in some cases, suggests the author's 
point of view. It would help in making an authority record created 
retroactively (remembering the pre AACR2 practice of leaving out the statement 
of responsibility which was much deplored). 

The best practice for punctuation in order to demarcate person from affiliation 
has been a problem for me so very much like Kevin Randall's suggestion.

Steven Arakawa
Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation  
Catalog & Metada Services   
Sterling Memorial Library. Yale University  
P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240     
(203) 432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu



From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Joan Wang
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:27 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

> All of this information on persons' affiliations could be recorded in our 
> authority > records -- is it really necessary to repeat it all in our 
> bibliographic records as 
> well?

I got an impression that one day data represented in authority records could be 
viewed or searched in end-users' clients.  

Thanks, 
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System 
 
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Charles Croissant <crois...@slu.edu> wrote:
I too would like to add my voice in support of Ben's position. Applying 2.4.1.4 
as it stands, without applying the optional admission, is bound to lead in some 
cases to extremely lengthy and hard-to-read statements of responsibility, 
especially when four or more authors and/or editors are named on the title 
page, with each name followed by an affiliation. Is this truly what the JSC and 
LC/PCC intended with this wording and this policy statement? 

I understand the value of RDA's principle of representation, but, like Ben, I 
see a need for balance as well. All of this information on persons' 
affiliations could be recorded in our authority records -- is it really 
necessary to repeat it all in our bibliographic records as well?

Charles Croissant
Senior Catalog Librarian
Pius XII Memorial Library
Saint Louis University
St. Louis, MO 63108
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Benjamin A Abrahamse <babra...@mit.edu> wrote:
Gene,
 
I wish it were so.  
 
But 2.4.1.4 states, "Transcribe a statement of responsibility in the form in 
which it appears on the source of information."  Immediately followed by the 
"optional omission", "Abridge a statement of responsibility only if it can be 
abridged without loss of essential information."  I have looked in vain for 
something similar to AACR2 1.1F7., "Include titles and abbreviations of titles 
of nobility, address, honour, and distinction ... Otherwise, omit all such data 
from statements of responsibility", and not found it.  I have also queried the 
RDA luminaries on this list and been told that including affiliations if they 
appear on the t.p. is part of RDA's adherence to "principle of representation".
 
The fact that there are no examples of this in RDA just means JSC either didn't 
think of it or didn't want to get into it.  Moreover the example I copied to 
the list was one I found in OCLC (there are plenty more of them, if you start 
looking).  So, if this is not what RDA intends, the rules need to be made 
clearer, as it's how catalogers are interpreting it.
 
Personally I would prefer that the optional omission be applied in these cases. 
There is value to the "principle of representation" of course, but I believe 
that value needs to be balanced against the fact that title pages have many 
more visual devices available to them (use of white space, font and font size, 
italic vs. roman, etc.) to communicate to users what information is essential 
and what is not.  Since these cues are not available in a surrogate, the 
cataloger should be able (and encouraged) to use his or her editorial judgment.
 
--Ben
 
Benjamin Abrahamse
Cataloging Coordinator
Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems
MIT Libraries
617-253-7137
 

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Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. 
Cataloger -- CMC
Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
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