> All of this information on persons' affiliations could be recorded in our
authority > records -- is it really necessary to repeat it all in our
bibliographic records as
> well?

I got an impression that one day data represented in authority records
could be viewed or searched in end-users' clients.

Thanks,
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Charles Croissant <crois...@slu.edu>wrote:

> I too would like to add my voice in support of Ben's position. Applying
> 2.4.1.4 as it stands, without applying the optional admission, is bound to
> lead in some cases to extremely lengthy and hard-to-read statements of
> responsibility, especially when four or more authors and/or editors are
> named on the title page, with each name followed by an affiliation. Is this
> truly what the JSC and LC/PCC intended with this wording and this policy
> statement?
>
> I understand the value of RDA's principle of representation, but, like
> Ben, I see a need for balance as well. All of this information on persons'
> affiliations could be recorded in our authority records -- is it really
> necessary to repeat it all in our bibliographic records as well?
>
> Charles Croissant
> Senior Catalog Librarian
> Pius XII Memorial Library
> Saint Louis University
> St. Louis, MO 63108
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Benjamin A Abrahamse 
> <babra...@mit.edu>wrote:
>
>>  Gene,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I wish it were so.  ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> But 2.4.1.4 states, "Transcribe a statement of responsibility in the form
>> in which it appears on the source of information."  Immediately followed by
>> the "optional omission", "Abridge a statement of responsibility only if it
>> can be abridged without loss of essential information."  I have looked in
>> vain for something similar to AACR2 1.1F7., "Include titles and
>> abbreviations of titles of nobility, address, honour, and distinction ...
>> Otherwise, omit all such data from statements of responsibility", and not
>> found it.  I have also queried the RDA luminaries on this list and been
>> told that including affiliations if they appear on the t.p. is part of
>> RDA's adherence to "principle of representation".**
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The fact that there are no examples of this in RDA just means JSC either
>> didn't think of it or didn't want to get into it.  Moreover the example I
>> copied to the list was one I found in OCLC (there are plenty more of them,
>> if you start looking).  So, if this is not what RDA intends, the rules need
>> to be made clearer, as it's how catalogers are interpreting it.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Personally I would prefer that the optional omission be applied in these
>> cases. There is value to the "principle of representation" of course, but I
>> believe that value needs to be balanced against the fact that title pages
>> have many more visual devices available to them (use of white space, font
>> and font size, italic vs. roman, etc.) to communicate to users what
>> information is essential and what is not.  Since these cues are not
>> available in a surrogate, the cataloger should be able (and encouraged) to
>> use his or her editorial judgment.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> --Ben****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Benjamin Abrahamse****
>>
>> Cataloging Coordinator****
>>
>> Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems****
>>
>> MIT Libraries****
>>
>> 617-253-7137****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> --
>
>


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